Upcoming Primaries

May 30th, 2016 at 7:14:06 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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It's a moot point, the fix is in, Hillary will be nominated


Probably, but it will still hurt her in the general election if she wins on super delegates alone. Trump will look so much better as the "voter's choice". The last Democratic candidate to win the nomination in this way was Hubert Humphrey in 1968. He didn't even enter a primary.
May 30th, 2016 at 7:21:53 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
Probably, but it will still hurt her in the general election if she wins on super delegates alone. Trump will look so much better as the "voter's choice". The last Democratic candidate to win the nomination in this way was Hubert Humphrey in 1968. He didn't even enter a primary.


I think it may already be having some effect. Maine Dems voted to get rid of the supers for 2020. Ironically the whole idea of the superdelegate system was to prevent a too-far left and thus unelectable candidate from being the nominee. The powers at the time did not want another McGovern-style wipe-out.
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May 30th, 2016 at 7:27:04 AM permalink
ams288
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Saw an interview with Bernie this morning where he was asked if he would consider being Hillary's VP.

I've seen him be asked that question before and he used to get indignant and say he was going to the the nominee. How dare they ask that?!?

This morning: not so much. He still insisted he was trying to win California. But did not take that idea off the table at all like he always used to.

Personally, I'd like to see either Bernie or Elizabeth Warren as the VP.
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May 30th, 2016 at 11:24:18 AM permalink
Evenbob
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It just goes on and on. Can you imagine what the MSM
would be doing with this story if it was Trump or
any Repub candidate?

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
May 30th, 2016 at 11:44:33 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
It just goes on and on. Can you imagine what the MSM
would be doing with this story if it was Trump or
any Repub candidate?


HuffPo is breaking the story? Interesting.

Word to the wise, if you have anything on a hard drive and you want to get rid of it you need to take the hard drive and grind it to pieces. That only protects your end, but there is no "clean." But as Hillary can barely run a computer she would never know to do that.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength
May 30th, 2016 at 4:14:01 PM permalink
ams288
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http://www.snopes.com/clinton-federal-racketeering-charges/
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
May 31st, 2016 at 11:08:58 AM permalink
petroglyph
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Thick as thieves they are: The Clintons and Goldman Sachs, http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/05/goldman-sachs-financed-hillary-clintons-son-in-law-to-make-bullish-greek-bets-after-it-structured-unseemly-greek-debt-deals-that-hobbled-that-country/
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
June 1st, 2016 at 5:17:32 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee

This is not from some blog, it is the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal.

If she loses California but still gets enough delegates to clinch it will be the equivalent of a team losing the last game of the NFL season but making it because the team they had the tiebreaker with lost as well. It will be next to impossible for Hillary to win less than 25 states, but she is not trending to be above 27 or so. Dick Morris just outlined how June is shaping up to be terrible for her just one day in, and July not much better.

I still do not put the chances it is someone else above 1 in 10. But it being openly talked about just makes things more interesting. All the talk about a brokered GOP convention alongside a Democrat coronation. In the future both sides should learn not to try to fix things.
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June 1st, 2016 at 7:35:01 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Great article in Vanity Fair. I won't link to it
because nobody here will read it. Reporter
went to Trump's 10K sq ft shack across
from the Beverly Hills Hotel and Trump
totally impressed him. He was friendly,
funny, open, he felt like he'd known him
for 10 years. He says the Trump you see
on TV is the businessman take no prisoners
Trump. In private he's genial and never
says a bad word about anybody.

The guy who bought Trumps Apprentice
show in 2004 for NBC says Trump is always
in charge, always leading. He never used
notes or scripts on the show, it was all off
the top of his head. Trump is the natural
leader in every situation, he said. Sounds
awfully alpha male-ish to me.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
June 1st, 2016 at 10:02:13 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
This is not from some blog, it is the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal.


In 2008 primaries, the Democrats had both California and New Jersey vote on Super Tuesdya (February 5, 2008) so there was no big states in June (Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota). Obviously in 2016 no one clinches the nomination until June 7th.

Hillary actually had a slight lead in popular vote, but the super delegates all went with Obama
Barack Obama 1,828½ pledged delegates; 478 SUPERDELEGATES: 17,584,692
Hillary Clinton 1,726½ pledged delegates; 246½ SUPERDELEGATES: 17,857,501



Bernie is still very unlikely to beat Hillary on popular votes, and even if he wins California there is still a long shot that he will have more pledged delegates.