Simple question?

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You are clearly intolerant in several ways. Get used to hearing it.

If intolerant means not agreeing 100% with you than yes I am intolerant. If it means something else I would very much like to hear why I am being intolerant.

Quote: Dalex64

So, you think people deserve hell, and you think it is an awful fate, but you don't think hell exists?

http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/1586/7/#post42943/

Just giving the facts. You decide what to do with them. If you want to hate, then hate. It's up to you. Stop blaming others.

Quote: pew

That's not surprising.

It doesn't mean anything, that's why
it's not surprising.

Quote: Dalex64

Every group has its nutcases. The bigger problem is when the leader is a nutcase, or the whole group is swayed into doing something hateful.

I agree and the biggest examples we have of this have very little to do with religion in the 20th century. I think you also bring up a point in recognizing that these people are nutcases. There is mental illness going on here that is causing this. For you to put this on Islam or any religion is really unfair.

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Westboro baptist is an example, as are some neo-nazi groups and the kkk.
I think they all claim to be christian and claim to be following christian ideals.

It is interesting that all of these groups you mentioned hate Catholics. I also think it is a stretch to call any of them Christian. I've learned recently that evil people that claim to be atheists like Stalin are apparently just substituting their state ideology for religion. In these cases evil people that claim to be Christians are really just substituting their hatred for religion.

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And you do find it happening in churches and in other religions.
The jews are in a state of war with some of them. Some of those muslim groups hate the jews, hate us, and believe they have god on their side and are doing his will.

I guess I was thinking of places here in the United States. Be careful that you don't define the many by the example of only a few. Worldwide these messages of hate I believe are fewer than we would imagine from the news they generate.

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What are some non-religious hate groups? I'd be happy to denounce them, but I honestly can't think of any right now.

Far more dangerous than any groups are individuals with hate in their heart. To find them however you might have to widen your view of what hatred looks like.

Quote: pew

Just giving the facts. You decide what to do with them. If you want to hate, then hate. It's up to you. Stop blaming others.

Are you trying to wiggle off of the hook now?

Do you or don't you believe in hell?

What did you mean when you said "By the way, I never said hell exists. Haters do like to characterize others don't they?"

If you weren't saying that hell exists when you said everybody deserves to go to hell, where exactly do you think everybody deserves to go?

Quote: FrGamble

For you to put this on Islam or any religion is really unfair. .

Have you ever studied the Koran? It's
the most hateful religion in the world.
They call for wiping out unapologetically
any person or people that are not
Islamist's.

I'm not an expert in the Koran but I think you are wrong or interpreting things incorrectly.

Quote: FrGamble

I agree and the biggest examples we have of this have very little to do with religion in the 20th century. I think you also bring up a point in recognizing that these people are nutcases. There is mental illness going on here that is causing this. For you to put this on Islam or any religion is really unfair.

It is interesting that all of these groups you mentioned hate Catholics. I also think it is a stretch to call any of them Christian. I've learned recently that evil people that claim to be atheists like Stalin are apparently just substituting their state ideology for religion. In these cases evil people that claim to be Christians are really just substituting their hatred for religion.

I guess I was thinking of places here in the United States. Be careful that you don't define the many by the example of only a few. Worldwide these messages of hate I believe are fewer than we would imagine from the news they generate.

Far more dangerous than any groups are individuals with hate in their heart. To find them however you might have to widen your view of what hatred looks like.

So you can't think of any organizations that hate that don't claim they are backed by god either?

those groups I mentioned self-identify as christian, and so do their members. They think they have god on their side. You calling them non-christian doesn't change that.

So what if they hate catholics? They hate jews and blacks and gays too.

I am not blaming every member of every religion for this, nor every religion. But you can't ignore what all of them have in common.

Quote: FrGamble

I'm not an expert in the Koran but I think you are wrong or interpreting things incorrectly.

“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.”

Quote: FrGamble

I've learned recently that evil people that claim to be atheists like Stalin

Did Stalin claim to be atheist?