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September 7th, 2021 at 7:44:17 AM permalink
kenarman
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The article quoted is by PubMed. For those who don't know who that is see below.

"Available to the public online since 1996, PubMed was developed and is maintained by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI), at the U.S. National Library of Medicine (NLM), located at the National Institutes of Health (NIH)."

"Conclusions: Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified."
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
September 7th, 2021 at 8:00:31 AM permalink
ams288
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If you waste time defending horse paste for humans, you may be in a cult.
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
September 7th, 2021 at 8:01:42 AM permalink
ams288
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Vaccination mandates continue to rise in popularity. Expect the loud minority of antivaxxers to continue to throw hissy fits.

“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
September 7th, 2021 at 8:05:24 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: kenarman
The article quoted is by PubMed. For those who don't know who that is see below.

"Available to the public online since 1996, PubMed was developed and is maintained by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI), at the U.S. National Library of Medicine (NLM), located at the National Institutes of Health (NIH)."

"Conclusions: Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified."


Apparently there's been enough questions with previous studies. Possibly nothing done wrong in some cases, except too small sample size.

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The paper’s withdrawal is not the first scandal to dog studies of ivermectin and COVID-19. Hill thinks many of the other ivermectin trial papers that he has scanned are likely to be flawed or statistically biased. Many rely on small sample sizes or were not randomized or well controlled, he says. And in 2020, an observational study of the drug was withdrawn after scientists raised concerns about it and a few other papers using data by the company Surgisphere that investigated a range of repurposed drugs against COVID-19. “We’ve seen a pattern of people releasing information that’s not reliable,” says Hill. “It’s hard enough to do work on COVID and treatment without people distorting databases.”


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
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September 7th, 2021 at 8:16:26 AM permalink
rxwine
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I'm surprised no one actually looks at the statement Merck the company that makes the drug says about their own drug.

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No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.


https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
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September 7th, 2021 at 8:16:59 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: ams288
If you waste time defending horse paste for humans, you may be in a cult.


A closed mind is a terrible disease. I hope you get better.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
September 7th, 2021 at 8:25:59 AM permalink
ams288
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Brazilian viper venom shows promise as drug to combat COVID-19

Me when the horse paste MAGA crowd gets wind of this:

“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
September 7th, 2021 at 8:30:11 AM permalink
Mission146
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Someone please tell them that the treatment, even if this is proven to work, will have nothing to do with intentionally being bitten by a snake.
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman
September 7th, 2021 at 8:41:43 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: Mission146
Someone please tell them that the treatment, even if this is proven to work, will have nothing to do with intentionally being bitten by a snake.


That would be silly, you will probably have to bite the head off the snake.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
September 7th, 2021 at 8:48:56 AM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: kenarman
That would be silly, you will probably have to bite the head off the snake.


I won't believe that until I hear it from a doctor whose license to practice medicine has been suspended/revoked in at least two states.
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman