Biden's Biggest Blunder

Quote: Gandler

Except that does not even make sense, since Trump originally wanted to pull out earlier, and originally criticized Biden for staying longer (I think May was his plan).

Which again Biden takes the blame, it's just insane commentary from Trump.

But, I don't accept pulling out was the right move, I think a permanent force of 2-5k is reasonable.

I honestly don't know much about this, but I do recognize that Trump had four years to get out of there if that was indeed his plan. As far as the two-way criticism goes, like anything else, it's a, "Pick One," thing...but I am increasingly recognizing that people are just generally bad at offering consistent criticisms about anything...or even criticisms that don't directly contradict one another.

I favor isolationist military policies, in general, but I don't know enough about it to make an argument in this specific case. I don't have time to be well-informed as to every matter, so foreign affairs is something that I almost completely ignore.

Quote: Gandler

So I just read a highly insane article on the pull out of Afghanistan. One that is probably not worth taking seriously.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-slams-bidens-surrender-of-afghanistan-warns-china-could-take-bagram

"I would have been out too, but we would have been out with strength. We would have come out with strength." -Trump


I don't even know what that means. Basically both Trump and Biden think that pulling out was the right move (it was not), but Trump thinks Biden pulled out wrong.

The smart move which both do not seem to realize would be a permanent force of 2-5k troops there.

I don't read anything from fox
Nothing. Nada
Biased reporting
They look for any angle against Biden then write the article in a way to generate the most hate from the reader
Its the hate channel and hate website

Quote: Gandler

Except that does not even make sense, since Trump originally wanted to pull out earlier, and originally criticized Biden for staying longer (I think May was his plan).

Which again Biden takes the blame, it's just insane commentary from Trump.

But, I don't accept pulling out was the right move, I think a permanent force of 2-5k is reasonable.

It is not about the date of the pull out it is about how your organize your withdrawal. Biden absolutely does own how the withdrawal was done.

Quote: kenarman

It is not about the date of the pull out it is about how your organize your withdrawal. Biden absolutely does own how the withdrawal was done.

I fully agree.

But, my overall point is pulling out at all was a mistake, and both sides are just quibbling about how the withdraw should be done.

Quote: Gandler

I fully agree.

But, my overall point is pulling out at all was a mistake, and both sides are just quibbling about how the withdraw should be done.

Do you really think 2K to 5K troops could really hold onto the country. Get real.

Quote: kenarman

It is not about the date of the pull out it is about how your organize your withdrawal. Biden absolutely does own how the withdrawal was done.

It's pretty much a toss up as to whether or not a terrorist attack on troops or Americans in another country would have failed or been successful under better circumstances during the withdrawal.

I love the fact that Poopypants is getting worldwide coverage of this. It's just so hilarious. What a senile oaf he is.

Quote: terapined

I don't read anything from fox
Nothing. Nada
Biased reporting
They look for any angle against Biden then write the article in a way to generate the most hate from the reader
Its the hate channel and hate website

Are you equally opposed to reading stuff from MSNBC? CNN?

They do everything in their power to generate the most hate from their readers/viewers.

Yes, I do watch and read stuff from them.

Quote: RonC

Are you equally opposed to reading stuff from MSNBC? CNN?

I dont watch CNN or MSNBC
Should I?
I cant stand Rachel Maddow
Google news is my go to website for seeing whats going on
Its geared to all my interests

https://news.google.com/

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Quote: kenarman

Do you really think 2K to 5K troops could really hold onto the country. Get real.

Yes and no. Not the whole country. Almost every military leader says at least 2.5k troops is the minimum level to keep control of the vital areas (cities, airports, bases, etc...), so I trust this range. The Taliban will always control the countryside, because its simply not worth fighting over in most cases.

Also, people don't realize the larger effect, of just American presence even in small numbers. For example we have 2k troops somewhere, nobody will attack because they know America will easily send in many times more. When there is zero troops this exponential fear is eliminated.

It's not that 2K troops could single handidly hold off Taliban and China, its their presence and the fact that people know what will happen to them if they attack an area protected by America.