DeSantis: the real deal?

March 1st, 2023 at 9:55:15 AM permalink
rxwine
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IMO, main source of indoctrination involves the free choice of picking a book and reading. Not a book you're forced to read in school, but one you want to read. Or, in this modern day and age, any potentially long subject matter online.

So, outlaw books and the like if you fear people are being indoctrinated.

Schools don't actually do a very good job of brainwashing. Not anything that lasts. Not if you can think at all.
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March 1st, 2023 at 9:58:13 AM permalink
Mission146
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The money would come from the education budget that is currently allocated.

So privatize education.

It's not fair for the rich kids to avoid the indoctrination.


In general, are you in favor of capitalism? I really can't figure you out. Also, it's not really, 'Private,' if the Government is paying for the vast majority of it, now is it?
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March 1st, 2023 at 10:05:34 AM permalink
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If you're not going to have public schools, then the Government should simply not pay for education whatsoever.

However, where I would agree is that the Government should offer grants in the amount of money that is directly saved by students not attending a public school that can be used either towards private school or to cover the expenses associated with home schooling.

On the one hand, the total privatization of education could create more demand in that market, which would lead to more schools opening, which could lead to a lower cost. On the other hand, there are only x private schools immediately available, so if you even theoretically could somehow immediately outlaw all public schools (which is insane, btw) then the demand side of the market would be flooded and it would take the supply side a very long time to catch up. As a result, in the short-term, costs would go through the roof as you would have an impossible number of prospective students trying to enter the private education system with the extremely limited number of facilities currently available.

I think the balance is for the Government to help out with private school costs to the extent that it saves money on a particular student not being in the public school system. In that event, all of the other stuff you said would happen to a lesser extent. Of course, some of these new private schools would be nothing more than blatant cash grabs wherein the students actually learn almost nothing, so there's that.




I think we are headed in the other direction.

Not towards privatization of education, more towards communism.


So we can theorize a solution how not to become indoctrinated, but I see no way out until we remove the central bank.

I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Our last shot was Trump and he didn't try to do it.


One long shot is Bitcoin.

It can make banks obsolete.
March 1st, 2023 at 10:16:35 AM permalink
rxwine
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What's better?


Having your children being indoctrinated with the possibility of parents going to prison

OR

Not having your children being indoctrinated with the possibility of parents going to prison?


Because the way it is now, many parents cannot protect their children, and they are liable.


You don't want children to be challenged to think at all!

Yeah, teachers will tell your kid 2+2 is 4, all day every day. Good for them. If kid wants to oppose the message he can work out the argument over time. I've never met one teacher or prof who told me I had to believe government was the answer. We had open-end discussions sometimes on subjects. Big deal. .

Parents can tell their children the Earth is flat, and god lives in your head at home when they talk to them everyday at home. Or viruses don't exist. I don't give a f***. Or they can tell them to be an atheist or devil worshipper at home. If it's not against the law they can tell them anything at home.
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March 1st, 2023 at 10:20:13 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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Could you expand on how you believe children are being indoctrinated?

What are they learning in public schools that upsets you so much?




Columbus didn't discover America.

There were black people here a long time before.



I see the results of the indoctrination in every day life.

For example, California is considering reparations of $5M to African Americans.

Another example, is a blue sanctuary city trying to provide $1K per month to the homeless.



The system is set up as a financial slavery system.

But the folks cannot see it so some vote for the Party that controls financial slavery.
March 1st, 2023 at 10:22:35 AM permalink
Mission146
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You don't want children to be challenged to think at all!

Yeah, teachers will tell your kid 2+2 is 4, all day every day. Good for them. If kid wants to oppose the message he can work out the argument over time. I've never met one teacher or prof who told me I had to believe government was the answer. We had open-end discussions sometimes on subjects. Big deal. .

Parents can tell their children the Earth is flat, and god lives in your head at home when they talk to them everyday at home. Or viruses don't exist. I don't give a f***. Or they can tell them to be an atheist or devil worshipper at home. If it's not against the law they can tell them anything at home.


Yeah...so much of this is predicated upon a radically skewed idea of what schools are actually like. Maybe H.S. and college are significantly different than they were when I was there, which is possible, I guess, but I really don't observe any of this at levels lower than that. There are perhaps a few isolated cases, here and there, where the argument could be made---but by and large, no.

On the other hand, I could see where an Evangelical might come to the conclusion that teaching the capacity for critical thought is tantamount to, "Indoctrination," though I am not claiming that applies to DoubleGold as I wouldn't know or care.
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March 1st, 2023 at 10:26:32 AM permalink
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Columbus didn't discover America.

There were black people here a long time before.



I see the results of the indoctrination in every day life.

For example, California is considering reparations of $5M to African Americans.

Another example, is a blue sanctuary city trying to provide $1K per month to the homeless.



The system is set up as a financial slavery system.

But the folks cannot see it so some vote for the Party that controls financial slavery.


From what I can tell, most of them don't teach that Columbus discovered the Americas anymore. Of course, we were taught that in, I think, third grade. That assertion was later corrected.

1k per month to the homeless? Not that I agree with the money, but you really can't point to a homeless problem in a major city and say, "Wow! What a $4!+hole," and then take issue with them trying to get some of the homeless off the streets.

If the tax base is there to support it, then go right ahead. If the people and businesses all leave as a result, then there will no longer be a tax base there to support it. Who am I to tell a city what to do or not do about their homeless problem if I don't live there and am unaffected?
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March 1st, 2023 at 10:30:35 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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In general, are you in favor of capitalism? I really can't figure you out. Also, it's not really, 'Private,' if the Government is paying for the vast majority of it, now is it?



I'm a capitalist.


I agree.


This issue is the buying power of each citizen.

So absolute wages can continue to rise over time, but a citizen's buying power is reduced.


So remove the central bank since they're the ones causing our buying power to be reduced.

Then there should be enough money for workers to foot the education bill.
March 1st, 2023 at 10:33:44 AM permalink
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I'm a capitalist.


I agree.


This issue is the buying power of each citizen.

So absolute wages can continue to rise over time, but a citizen's buying power is reduced.


So remove the central bank since they're the ones causing our buying power to be reduced.

Then there should be enough money for workers to foot the education bill.


There are so many problems with what you said I have no idea where to start. I'm not categorically defending the Fed or saying there aren't alternatives to the Fed, but the causal chain that you are assuming would lead to events after that ONE change...um...let's just say you're assuming a lot and I'm also not sure specifically what you are assuming...but it is definitely a great many things that I'm unsure have a logical connection to the Fed to the extent you seem to think they do.
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March 1st, 2023 at 10:39:15 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: DoubleGold
I'm a capitalist.


I agree.


This issue is the buying power of each citizen.

So absolute wages can continue to rise over time, but a citizen's buying power is reduced.


So remove the central bank since they're the ones causing our buying power to be reduced.

Then there should be enough money for workers to foot the education bill.


Pure capitalism is also a problem for education, unless you think poor people should only get the education they can afford. And yet, capitalism works fine for many things, except for the things it doesn't. You can't seem to see that.
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