Israeli conflict

August 7th, 2025 at 6:06:52 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Netenyahu wants it to continue so as to delay him facing his ongoing criminal troubles.

A pol without the political baggage he has would have ended it long ago.
August 7th, 2025 at 7:00:49 PM permalink
rxwine
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Release the hostages and famine goes away. Hamas can make the famine go away if they want it to. Looks to me that they want the famine to continue.


What incentive does Hamas have to release them? Whatcha think Israel is going to do to the remaining Hamas when the hostages are out?
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August 8th, 2025 at 2:38:38 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Release the hostages and famine goes away. Hamas can make the famine go away if they want it to. Looks to me that they want the famine to continue.


Notice the patterns. Hamas is same as say inner city school admins. They both want the suffering to continue just so long as they are in power. It keeps them in power. You can bet no Hamas member is hungry.
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August 8th, 2025 at 5:30:54 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: rxwine
What incentive does Hamas have to release them? Whatcha think Israel is going to do to the remaining Hamas when the hostages are out?


Immediately? Allow more food/supplies in. Down the road? Probably help rebuild Gaza so the average Palestinian has a better life than under Hamas rule. And don’t you think the ‘good’ Gazans will be happy they are no longer torturing the innocent hostages?

Do you think it is working out well for Hamas by NOT releasing the hostages?
August 8th, 2025 at 5:57:26 AM permalink
rxwine
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Immediately? Allow more food/supplies in. Down the road? Probably help rebuild Gaza so the average Palestinian has a better life than under Hamas rule. And don’t you think the ‘good’ Gazans will be happy they are no longer torturing the innocent hostages?

Do you think it is working out well for Hamas by NOT releasing the hostages?


I think Hamas is in a die now, or die later situation, which is why I asked what incentive they have. (they may not die, but prison walls seem to be the long time future if not)

If you do want to live, you want to die later. That's why I asked what incentive they have to release the hostages. Hamas is going to eat anyway, so just flood the place with food so people don't starve, and take care of Hamas piece by piece. They just up the air drops, Or increase the spread of delivery around the border. Hamas can't be everywhere.
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August 8th, 2025 at 8:36:29 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: rxwine
I think Hamas is in a die now, or die later situation, which is why I asked what incentive they have. (they may not die, but prison walls seem to be the long time future if not)

If you do want to live, you want to die later. That's why I asked what incentive they have to release the hostages. Hamas is going to eat anyway, so just flood the place with food so people don't starve, and take care of Hamas piece by piece. They just up the air drops, Or increase the spread of delivery around the border. Hamas can't be everywhere.


Would you donate to a charity if they advertised…. 10% goes for good deeds and 90% to the bad people running the charity? What will it take for the Gazan people to revolt against Hamas?
August 8th, 2025 at 9:12:37 AM permalink
rxwine
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Would you donate to a charity if they advertised…. 10% goes for good deeds and 90% to the bad people running the charity? What will it take for the Gazan people to revolt against Hamas?


Well, like I said before, I don't think they're going to do it if they're weak and starving.

I think it was Socrates who said "can't even think when you're starving". paraphrase.
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August 8th, 2025 at 9:17:37 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Would you donate to a charity if they advertised…. 10% goes for good deeds and 90% to the bad people running the charity? What will it take for the Gazan people to revolt against Hamas?


Historically revolts are done by people with some level of comfort but not enough. People scraping to survive do not usually rise up until complete desperation and even then it will be weak. To get rid of Hamas will take a version of Wyatt Earp’s ride against roe Cowboys.

Israeli special forces need to say we see a member of Hamas we kill them.” Then go around Gaza doing it. No trials. No arrests. No negotiations. Simply a policy of if you are in Hana’s we kill you.
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August 8th, 2025 at 9:49:48 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Israeli special forces need to say we see a member of Hamas we kill them.” Then go around Gaza doing it. No trials. No arrests. No negotiations. Simply a policy of if you are in Hana’s we kill you.


Seems that's pretty much what's going on currently.
August 8th, 2025 at 9:54:47 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Seems that's pretty much what's going on currently.


Bibi took my advice! Glad I took his call.
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