Trump and Epstein

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https://humantraffickinghotline.org/en/human-trafficking/sex-trafficking

It's not just about age, as rape occurs when consent is withdrawn. You could have an agreement to have sex but once the person changes their mind you can't continue without committing a crime.

Quote: fleaswatter

From the hearing:

Every single "Epstein victim" pictured here was an adult at the time of their claimed victimization. Has the media bothered to clarify this?

Quote: Gandler

Quote: fleaswatter

From the hearing:

Every single "Epstein victim" pictured here was an adult at the time of their claimed victimization. Has the media bothered to clarify this?

Oh, we forgot victims of sexual misconduct can only be minors.... So silly for these women who were just over 18 to claim they were abused....

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Gandler

Quote: fleaswatter

From the hearing:

Every single "Epstein victim" pictured here was an adult at the time of their claimed victimization. Has the media bothered to clarify this?

Oh, we forgot victims of sexual misconduct can only be minors.... So silly for these women who were just over 18 to claim they were abused....

I’ll just take the JM woman. She claims she was sexually assaulted at age 22. But didn’t realize it until she was 49, when she was opening her consulting firm. I wonder if she’s in the process of suing Epstein’s estate?

There are of course real victims. Epstein was convicted. Maxwell was convicted.

Find others who committed crimes and convict them.

I just hate 27 year gaps between when a crime was committed and the victim coming forward. There can be no trial, and the accused is just presumed guilty.

Quote: Gandler

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Gandler

Quote: fleaswatter

From the hearing:

Every single "Epstein victim" pictured here was an adult at the time of their claimed victimization. Has the media bothered to clarify this?

Oh, we forgot victims of sexual misconduct can only be minors.... So silly for these women who were just over 18 to claim they were abused....

I’ll just take the JM woman. She claims she was sexually assaulted at age 22. But didn’t realize it until she was 49, when she was opening her consulting firm. I wonder if she’s in the process of suing Epstein’s estate?

There are of course real victims. Epstein was convicted. Maxwell was convicted.

Find others who committed crimes and convict them.

I just hate 27 year gaps between when a crime was committed and the victim coming forward. There can be no trial, and the accused is just presumed guilty.

You realize this is a very unique case, even by sex abuse and trafficking standards?

Women who were abused by Epstein had to be terrified of billionaires, Presidents, Celebrities, and Royals coming after them. Basically every power group you could imagine.

Somebody who is in their teens or 20s (and probably doesn't have a stable background,) being threatened by the most powerful people on the planet, probably will need quite some time to get their courage up to come forward.

Why can there be no trial? For Epstein sure, but for the people he was trafficking for there can be. And, if the one example cited is suing the estate, that is a trial in itself.

Quote: Jess Micaaels

The day after I was raped by Jeffrey Epstein in 1991 at 22 years old, I went to fulfill my scholarship work study requirement at the front desk of a popular NYC professional dance studio. My friend Joanne said hi to me as I walked in. She must have seen the look on my face because when I didn’t respond after she asked me if I was okay three times, she grabbed me and pulled me into the office. I burst into tears instantly and told her a fraction of what had happened the night before ‒ I was too humiliated to tell her everything. 

Joanne immediately said, “we need to go to the police.” My first thought was, “who would believe a 22 year old dancer next to this wealthy wall street guy with a plane?” My next thoughts were, “I didn’t run. I didn’t scream. I didn’t kick him or try to stop him. I walked out of that building and passed the same doorman who had let me up as if nothing had happened.” No one will believe me. 

In 1991, I understood the legal definition of rape to be determined by how much you tried to resist. 

In 1991, we only ever talked about “fight or flight” as the reasonable responses to rape. 

In 1991, we didn’t know that “freeze” is an extremely common response to sexual assault. 

So I didn’t even believe me. 

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freezing is an innate, involuntary defense response to an attack or threat. It is one of the four primary survival mechanisms—alongside fight, flight, and fawn—controlled by the autonomic nervous system

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Political operatives Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna have never mentioned the name Katheryn Ruemmler despite her name appearing thousands of times in emails within the Epstein files. Yet both Massie and Khanna went out of their way to publicly claim they forced the DOJ to release the names of four men they accused of being sex traffickers and pedophiles.

Massie was very proud of his efforts to discover the names and force the DOJ to unredact them. As Massie proclaimed, continuously: if President Trump and the DOJ did not publicly unredact the names, it would be proof that President Trump and the DOJ were protecting pedophiles and sex traffickers.

After holding their joint press conference, Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna then went to the House of Representatives to proclaim (1) Salvatore Nuara, (2) Zurab Mikeladze, (3) Leonid Leonov and (4) Nicola Caputo were sexual deviants, pedophiles and much worse. They were horrible men who had abused underage girls.

…. Except, there was a problem. A BIG PROBLEM.

Salvatore Nuara, Zurab Mikeladze, Leonid Leonov and Nicola Caputo had absolutely nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein or anything even remotely associated with Jeffrey Epstein.

The names Salvatore Nuara, Zurab Mikeladze, Leonid Leonov and Nicola Caputo were in the Epstein files because they were random pictures of men, random passport pictures, used in a photo lineup during questioning of one of Epstein’s victims.

Thanks to the ‘HE’S A WITCH” hunting efforts of Massie and Khanna, four random guys who never new anything about the DOJ or the FBI, or Jeffrey Epstein or anything else even remotely in that orbit, were labeled as sex criminals and horrific people.

Salvatore Nuara, Zurab Mikeladze, Leonid Leonov, and Nicola Caputo did not know they were in the Epstein files and did not know their pictures were ever used by the FBI. Their random passport photographs were used in an FBI lineup to question witnesses, that’s it. But thanks to Ro Khanna and the political efforts of Thomas Massie, they were wrongly labeled.

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(1) No record shall be withheld, delayed, or redacted on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary.