Charlie Kirk murder

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But wait, I thought his 1st amendment rights were violated? That the freedom of the press was destroyed? That our fascist dictator was killing dissent? Or maybe a business made a decision, and then reversed that decision?

They were violated. That is like saying because somebody wasn't killed in a police beating it was not police brutality...

Kimmel survived, but the FCC attempted to shut him down, and they still may. This will not go over well with Trump, and we will see if the FCC carries through with their original threats. If the FCC takes further actions it will be even more rights violations.

I think I watched two shows with Charlie Kirk before his death, a politicon debate in 2018, and his episode on Bill Maher's podcast this year. He was well spoken, but wasn't particularly impressive or interesting.

Since he died, I watched more of his stuff. Nothing about him is even slightly good. He does a decent job frazzling random college kids who walk by on obscure topics, but he gets destroyed against professional debaters.

I just don't understand why he is such a conservative icon. Like Ben Shapiro, I could understand, he is actually a good love debator. But, Kirk, unless he is arguing an obscure point against a burnt out college kid, has no chance in debates.

Before he died did anyone actually find him relevant? Or is he just being used as a martry? Like, of all the conservatives I routinely talk to, I can't recall one referencing Kirk as an important thought leader before he died (now of course they don't shut up about him...)

I think it's safe to say, he had a niche of making viral videos against people who didn't know what was going on, but was useless in professional environments.

All about the money. Kirk net worth estimated 12 million.

Just imitating someone here who often points out how much someone has made to invalidate anything they don't agree with.

I congratulate Kirk on building his wealth without blatantly conning people unlike his chosen pol Trumpie.

BTW. if anyone wants to argue "it's always about the money" is justification alone -- there are plenty of rich people doing legit business. Not all, but not all poor people are honest or dishonest either, nor any other group, except actual thievery thieves.

Quote: rxwine

All about the money. Kirk net worth estimated 12 million.

Just imitating someone here who often points out how much someone has made to invalidate anything they don't agree with.

I congratulate Kirk on building his wealth without blatantly conning people unlike his chosen pol Trumpie.

What his primary source of wealth?

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I just don't understand why he is such a conservative icon. Like Ben Shapiro, I could understand, he is actually a good love debator. But, Kirk, unless he is arguing an obscure point against a burnt out college kid, has no chance in debates.

Of course you don't, because you are the kind of person who would make a fool of themselves debating him. He is an icon because he is smart, personable, and knows his facts cold. He does not let the debate opponent make up "facts" like when they say most violence is from the right. He points out how those studies are flawed. I have never seen him against a "professional debater" whatever that is. But I am sure he would not giggle and blame Biden for something he could not answer.

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Before he died did anyone actually find him relevant? Or is he just being used as a martry? Like, of all the conservatives I routinely talk to, I can't recall one referencing Kirk as an important thought leader before he died (now of course they don't shut up about him...)

Lots did, that is why there were 850 chapters on colleges across the land. The college gen voters have drifted right in part because of him, mostly male but a few females. That is why 300,000 people showed up to his memorial. That is just the live one, many times that many showed at other places.

That he has religious beliefs that he talked about but did not push on anyone didn't hurt, either.

He will have many statues of himself in many places. This is the kind of man conservatives honor. The left honored a man killed while resisting arrest. Which side is better to be on?

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What his primary source of wealth?

It's a number of areas, including standard investments. He does sell on his speaking, and promotions but, I don't see anything shady either mentioned or suspected. I don't think it's out of line with the number of people he reaches. I wouldn't ever buy anything from him, but I'm not his customer.

But if anyone wants a comparison.

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Martin Luther King Jr.'s net worth at his death in 1968 was less than $6,000, as the probate court found he died without a will and had given most of his earnings to the civil rights movement. His estate was small, and despite his fame and earnings from books and speaking engagements, his financial assets were minimal at the time of his death

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Of course you don't, because you are the kind of person who would make a fool of themselves debating him. He is an icon because he is smart, personable, and knows his facts cold. He does not let the debate opponent make up "facts" like when they say most violence is from the right. He points out how those studies are flawed. I have never seen him against a "professional debater" whatever that is. But I am sure he would not giggle and blame Biden for something he could not answer.



Lots did, that is why there were 850 chapters on colleges across the land. The college gen voters have drifted right in part because of him, mostly male but a few females. That is why 300,000 people showed up to his memorial. That is just the live one, many times that many showed at other places.

That he has religious beliefs that he talked about but did not push on anyone didn't hurt, either.

He will have many statues of himself in many places. This is the kind of man conservatives honor. The left honored a man killed while resisting arrest. Which side is better to be on?

I simply don't agree, he is not well articulated in environments where he does not control the format. He was alright at doing small clips for a quick gotcha, but any kind form debate I have seen, he is not good.

As for his organization, I also didn't hear of that until he died. Maybe it's big, I don't know... It certainly was not on my campus...

Who did the left honor for resisting arrest?

I just don't find him impressive in structured debate formats, he is basically a clip content generator from my research.

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It's a number of areas, including standard investments. He does sell on his speaking, and promotions but, I don't see anything shady either mentioned or suspected. I don't think it's out of line with the number of people he reaches. I wouldn't ever buy anything from him, but I'm not his customer.

I am not saying his wealth is shady. I am curious if most of his income is from YouTube ad revenue, salary from his organization, product sales, or speaking fees. It would say a lot about his business model.