Smoky air vs. Hot air

Quote: SOOPOO

I really had to type that?

I'll add for completeness. Elvis is dead and the Earth is approximately spherical.

Quote: missedhervee

The reality is simply this: the climate is changing, it is getting hotter and drier.

But when we get a hurricane you say that is climate change, too? Make up your mind! Or else start understanding science that the earht's climate always changes. It is a living planet and that is what happens. Nothing special is causing it and nothing can be done about it.

You want a "stable climate" move to Mercury!

Quote: AZDuffman

But when we get a hurricane you say that is climate change, too?

I never said that.

Quote: AZDuffman

...the earht's (sic) climate always changes. It is a living planet and that is what happens. Nothing special is causing it and nothing can be done about it

I agree that natural processes can affect climate change: that is not the issue.

The issue is that the SPEED and EXTENT of climate change has accelerated to such a degree that it is indicative of other than natural forces as the primary causal agent.

You say it is due to natural causes: what are they, exactly, and how have they tipped the scale to speed up the pace of climate change so drastically?

It's not from volcanoes, or sun activity, or the earth's orbit being altered: please explain exactly WHAT natural causes are at work and how they have led to such rapid change.

Better yet, cite to the MAGA brief with objective, scientific talking points on the issue.

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Quote: missedhervee

I never said that.



I agree that natural processes can affect climate change: that is not the issue.

The issue is that the SPEED and EXTENT of climate change has accelerated to such a degree that it is indicative of other than natural forces as the primary causal agent.

You say it is due to natural causes: what are they, exactly, and how have they tipped the scale to speed up the pace of climate change so drastically?

It's not from volcanoes, or sun activity, or the earth's orbit being altered: please explain exactly WHAT natural causes are at work and how they have led to such rapid change.

Better yet, cite to the MAGA brief with objective, scientific talking points on the issue.

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We do not know that it is or is not faster than before. We do not have a long enough data stream. We have maybe 150 years of data. Meaningless.

Quote: AZDuffman

We do not know that it is or is not faster than before. We do not have a long enough data stream. We have maybe 150 years of data. Meaningless.

Compare the rate of change in the past fifty years to the rate of change in the first fifty years, for starters.

Also there certainly is data going back past 150 years, e.g. snow/ ice core samples in glaciers and ring growth on trees, to name just two.

per AI:

"Scientists know carbon dioxide levels have risen due to precise, direct atmospheric measurements and historical data trapped in ice cores. Direct monitoring—started at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii in 1958—shows a steady rise from 315 parts per million (ppm) to over 420 ppm today. To see further back, scientists analyze air bubbles trapped in ancient ice cores, proving today's concentrations are higher than they have been in at least 2 million years."

Quote: missedhervee

Compare the rate of change in the past fifty years to the rate of change in the first fifty years, for starters.

Also there certainly is data going back past 150 years, e.g. snow/ ice core samples in glaciers and ring growth on trees, to name just two.

Is abject ignorance, science denialism, climate change denial, faith in cults a regional, North/South thing in your country?

If so ( And I see some empirical evidence) could anyone offer a suggestion as to the cause?

Quote: OnceDear

Is abject ignorance, science denialism, climate change denial, faith in cults a regional, North/South thing in your country?

If so ( And I see some empirical evidence) could anyone offer a suggestion as to the cause?

ChatGPT suggested...

" denialism correlates strongly with things like:

being Republican / conservative
education
mistrust in science / lower “belief in science” proxies
fossil-fuel dependence in the local economy
rural/community factors
"

The biggest factor is a strong belief in a christian god.

The bible itself is the problem, and those who parrot its fundamentalist nonsense deny science.

Idiots, all.

Humans have a multiplying effect on the Earth vs every other animal per capita. At least rightwing hunters generally know you can't treat the prey like an endless supply the Earth will manage on its own.

"Historically, United States President Theodore Roosevelt famously tallied 296 animals during a single 1909 African safari."

How many big game prey will one lion kill in the same period of time? Or a whole pride? Nope, not even close.

Our mass industry and consumption choices effect the whole planet.

Only a thick-headed dullard believes humans don't affect climate in very significant ways. That climate does change on its own also, is not proof of anything but a dullard argument of insignificant importance.

Quote: rxwine

Only a thick-headed dullard believes humans don't affect climate in very significant ways. That climate does change on its own also, is not proof of anything but a dullard argument of insignificant importance.

They walk amongst us.
Not much point trying to persuade them of anything. Let them drink the Kool Aid.