Confessional

Quote: FrGamble

Most definitely not suicide! This is an altruistic act

So suicide is OK if it's for the right reason?
Like sparing yourself any more pain and
agony. The guy who jumps on the grenade
does it for the same reason a sick person
kills himself. It's a selfish act. There are
people who live thru the grenade thing.
They all say they did it because they
couldn't live with themselves if they didn't
do it. It's a selfish act, just like everything
we do in life. Even the myth of Jesus dying
for our so called sins was a selfish act. He
did it because he wanted to do it, not because
he was forced to.

Quote: FrGamble

Kindly sir please stop putting words in my mouth ...

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You seem to be suggesting that we just give our loved one an immediate lethal dose of morphine to kill them.

In which parallel universe did I say kill our loved ones?

I said people deserve the respect to choose self termination, when suffering undue misery.

Quote: petroglyph

In which parallel universe did I say kill our loved ones?

I said people deserve the respect to choose self termination, when suffering undue misery.

And I say people deserve to be relieved of their suffering but this does not mean killing them. I appreciate you like to use the euphemism "terminate", it is the same attempt those who want to kill a developing baby in the womb, but it is killing.

Quote: Evenbob

The guy who jumps on the grenade
does it for the same reason a sick person
kills himself. It's a selfish act.

What are you saying here? Do you think a healthy man out of love for his unit falling on a grenade to save them is the same as a sick person killing themselves?

Quote: FrGamble

And I say people deserve to be relieved of their suffering but this does not mean killing them. I appreciate you like to use the euphemism "terminate", it is the same attempt those who want to kill a developing baby in the womb, but it is killing.

Well at least we can agree, abortion isn't murder.

Does using "end ones own life", work better for you?

Quote: FrGamble

What are you saying here? Do you think a healthy man out of love for his unit falling on a grenade to save them is the same as a sick person killing themselves?

They're both selfish acts, done for different
reasons. I remember a story about a cop
who who dove for a guy jumping off a
bridge. He would have surely died if his
partner hadn't grabbed his leg at the last
second. Later the cop said he couldn't
have lived with himself if hadn't tried
to save the guy. A selfish act again. It
looks selfless, but really isn't.

Quote: petroglyph

Does using "end ones own life", work better for you?

You can use whatever words you like to make you feel better but it is still killing a human person.

Quote: FrGamble

You can use whatever words you like to make you feel better but it is still killing a human person.

Don't you wonder how many people have killed themselves because of the guilt put on them by the Catholic church?

All that nature has given mankind through eons of evolution, the instincts, desires, thoughts, wants and needs have all been used by church to tax the listeners. Every impulse a possibility for another tax.

You even want to take a persons life away from them, [the one thing they do own] and use it as a means of control.

Quote: petroglyph

Don't you wonder how many people have killed themselves because of the guilt put on them by the Catholic church?

Have a better idea of the number of millions and millions who have had their lives saved because they experienced the freedom of forgiveness and joy of being loved unconditionally by God.

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Every impulse a possibility for another tax.

I have no idea what you mean by "another tax". If there is a tax or some kind of payment required to go to Church or receive the Sacraments I don't know of it.

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You even want to take a persons life away from them, [the one thing they do own] and use it as a means of control.

It is you who want to take a person's life away from them! I want to give them back the dignity of their life and respect its value even in the midst of difficulty circumstances.

Quote: FrGamble

I want to give them back the dignity of their life and respect its value even in the midst of difficulty circumstances.

By telling them that suicide is a mortal
sin that will be punished by eternity
in hell. In the Church, suicide is a mortal
sin that costs you your salvation, what
ever that is. In other words, a Catholic
killing themselves is so bad, not even
Jesus will forgive it. This is the Vatican's
view on suicide.