Confessional

That is just stupid. Read a Catechism for goodness sake!

(Edit: it's paragraphs 2280-83 I think you might learn something)

This is what it says.

"Objectively, suicide is a mortal sin. Here we must remember that for a sin to be mortal and cost someone salvation, the objective action (in this case the taking of one's own life) must be a grave or serious matter; the person must have an informed intellect (know that this is wrong); and the person must give full consent of the will." Catholic Education Resource Center

In other words, if you know that suicide is
wrong, and you do it anyway, not even
Jesus will forgive you.

I looked, and I found another version of the "get out of jail free" card.

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2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

Did we misunderstand that suicide is a mortal sin, and misunderstand the penalty for dying with a mortal sin unforgiven?

in one fell swoop they tell you that it doesn't matter what god's rules and punishments are, they are not as absolute as they sound because "by ways known to him alone" they can be set aside or contradicted.

Quote: Dalex64

Did we misunderstand that suicide is a mortal sin, and misunderstand the penalty for dying with a mortal sin unforgiven?
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It seems to say, yeah, these are the rules,
but god can change them anytime he
likes and probably will. What the heck
is the point, then. You might as well
put a disclaimer on every rule.

Quote: Evenbob

It seems to say, yeah, these are the rules,
but god can change them anytime he
likes and probably will. What the heck
is the point, then. You might as well
put a disclaimer on every rule.

No good deed will go unpunished.

Quote: Fleastiff

There's no evidence that a word of your ANY religion is true.
Doesn't that bother you?
No more than it bothers the magician who knows that the woman did not really get sawed in half.

>>There is plenty of evidence that every word of my religion is true.
Then why are there Moslems, Budhists, Scientologists, Episcapalians, Wiccas, Alcholics?

>In fact doesn't it bother you that there is no evidence to support a claim that there is not a God?
Uh, Uh, Jack. I didn't say nuttin' 'bout no God/Supreme-Being/Doorknob. I focused solely on religion.

>Doesn't it bother you that what you see as just an illusion is believed by and has changed people's lives on a daily basis?
>... claim what you see is just an illusion, brainwashing, or a trick.
So the Christian Scientists claim of no microbes is to be believed because its changed peoples lives on occasion?

> Your comments don't bother me because I know and experience every day the reality of Christ and His love.
Egads, that sounds familiar. Where did I hear it before? Oh yeah,, from someone who believed in UFOs and from someone who believed in Multiple Personalities. They were just as fervent and just as transfixed by the roles those thing played in their daily reality.

> It does seem like my comments do bother you
Just about all advertising does, particularly advertising for cults or snake oil or a protection racket.
> for whatever reason have closed yourself off to the possibility of God.
Cut it out Jack, I've told you its ain't about God its about religion.
> If you want to experience the reality of Christianity give it a try and I guarantee you will discover it is true.
What if I want to experience the reality of Islam? Will I discover truth then? What about Abu Ben Adhem?
What if I want to experience the reality of UFOs?
What if I want to experience the reality of Scientology? If some future Civilization unearths the ramblings of a pulp science fiction author, will that become a new Bible because its found in parchment fragments somewhere?

Quote: FrGamble

Catechism for goodness sake!

Ain't that a tomb underneath ancient Rome?

Quote: Fleastiff

Then why are there Moslems, Budhists, Scientologists, Episcapalians, Wiccas, Alcholics?

Because there are elements or sparks of truth found in some of them. In regards to things like Scientology though you are dealing with a cult and Wicca is in my understanding more like idolatry or something worse.

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Uh, Uh, Jack. I didn't say nuttin' 'bout no God/Supreme-Being/Doorknob. I focused solely on religion.

No way man, you can't shoplift the pooty.

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So the Christian Scientists claim of no microbes is to be believed because its changed peoples lives on occasion?

No, to make a claim like that you need evidence and the evidence clearly demonstrates that there are microbes. Their claims then are false.

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Egads, that sounds familiar. Where did I hear it before? Oh yeah,, from someone who believed in UFOs and from someone who believed in Multiple Personalities. They were just as fervent and just as transfixed by the roles those thing played in their daily reality.

yeah in rereading my comments I laid it on kind of thick. The truth is though that Jesus Christ is the most important person in my life, He has changed everything and continues to be my source of peace, joy, and inspiration.

Quote: Evenbob

It seems to say, yeah, these are the rules,
but god can change them anytime he
likes and probably will. What the heck
is the point, then. You might as well
put a disclaimer on every rule.

It is not about rules, never was, never will be. There is a disclaimer on every rule - "God is love."

Quote: Dalex64

in one fell swoop they tell you that it doesn't matter what god's rules and punishments are, they are not as absolute as they sound because "by ways known to him alone" they can be set aside or contradicted.

I imagine if Jehovah actually exists, he's up in heaven surrounded by angels, all laughing it up that the humans take any of the Bible's nonsense seriously.

If you think circumcision is a barbaric ritual from a bronze age desert tribe, imagine what it was like when it was performed with the tools and hygiene, or rather lack of hygiene, from that era. Barbaric doesn't even begin to describe it.