What now, GOP?

Having been soundly defeated in the marriage equality question, what will Republicans back en masse as a losing cause now?

I'm betting they'll oppose legalization of marijuana.

But there are a number of other issues, from immigration to police reform.

It's too bad. The Democrats back disastrous policies, but they get large parts of the population behind them. They have their losing causes, like gun "control," but they don't often obsess about them. In the meantime the GOP can't offer constructive alternatives at all. They could be going after regulations, healthcare, real immigration reform (beyond "Keep everyone OUT") and many other things.

Instead they become obsessive-compulsives against things they should either stay out of or should be defending, if they really were for liberty (they're not, but neither is anyone else; not all the way).

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The Democrats back disastrous policies, but they get large parts of the population behind them.

I truly believe 90% of the U.S. population are morons. The worse the idea proposed the more people they will get to endorse it. BTW, I don't mean just Democrats as I am not meaning to be political with this statement

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I truly believe 90% of the U.S. population are morons.

I wouldn't go that far. They're just uninterested in politics, and unschooled in economics.

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The worse the idea proposed the more people they will get to endorse it.

It's a cultural matter, largely worldwide: the idea that the government ought to provide some or all of the needs of the population. In the US the middle class is the largest recipient of welfare, largely through indirect subsidies but also though social security and other direct payments. The indirect subsidies distort the market, and go directly to mostly rich people or corporations. All of that should stop, but neither party has the will to even propose it.

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BTW, I don't mean just Democrats as I am not meaning to be political with this statement

Oh, absolutely.

But, you know, one thing that seems to operate here is the American voter doesn't much care to forbid or ban things or actions. At least of late.

Quote: Nareed

It's a cultural matter, largely worldwide: the idea that the government ought to provide some or all of the needs of the population. In the US the middle class is the largest recipient of welfare, largely through indirect subsidies but also though social security and other direct payments. The indirect subsidies distort the market, and go directly to mostly rich people or corporations. All of that should stop, but neither party has the will to even propose it.

I generally look at the Democrats as having different priorities for the same things as the other party (or even other known parties), The economic engine of the free market is only one of those and it has its place, but we don't put it at top and at the expense of other things.

If someone said we can't have some of the socialistic programs like SS, medi-scare without sacrificing some of the free market robustness, I'd say, you're absolutely right! For instance, I prefer regulations over various pollutants and the extra cost associated with that than pure production and lower initial economic cost of a product.

If you want to say, that any entity in power is potentially corrupt, I'd absolutely agree with that, and that all have to be watched as well. You can't let government or private industry operate without oversight unless you're prepared to be betrayed. They will all eventually play you for a sucker if unwatched. Less so, if watched.

The Democrats are constantly charged with creating the lure of the welfare state, so people won't be forced to move up. I recognize that as a challenge that keeps needing refinement. (much like you know Windows 8 has other versions which are preferable. I don't believe there is one system without faults nor one system that will suffice for all time -- but neither am I going to keep chucking the whole thing and start from nothing each time)

Quote: Nareed

It's a cultural matter, largely worldwide: the idea that the government ought to provide some or all of the needs of the population.

It wasn't always that way. In 1913 the US
started collecting income tax from people.
In the New Deal, they started taking SS
money out of our checks. In 1964 modern
welfare was born. The gov't takes so much
of our money now that people expect
a big return on the investment.

Yeah, I heard about this and just shook my head -- the lost left doesn't even amaze anymore but they nearly outdo themselves trying.


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Having been soundly defeated in the marriage equality question, what will Republicans back en masse as a losing cause now?

You've got it backwards. The right-wingers are unaware that they lost the gay rights battle. They're in denial. They still think it's a winnable issue, they still think it's 2004. We keep trying to send them the memo explaining that it's 2015, but they refuse to read that damn liberal propaganda. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News tell the GOP voters what they want to hear, and since the right-wing media cocoon is tightly tightly sealed, the denial will continue.

Consider that Jeb Bush (who everyone insists is a "moderate") is actually defending Indiana & Gov. Pence! Surely Bush knows this rhetoric won't fly in the general election. Surely he knows he'll have to keep quiet and/or backpedal on gay rights if he's serious about winning the White House.

It's especially weird that the GOP is so out of touch with corporate America's position on this issue: NASCAR, NCAA, NFL, and WalMart (Walmart!) all strongly support gay rights. Almost all of corporate America (and the Koch brothers) firmly stand for gay rights. This must be completely bewildering to the average conservative voter who probably never considered that granting corporate personhood to Hobby Lobby would backfire so spectacularly.

The right-leaning red states need to decide if they want to court factories, jobs, and money from big corporations that support gay rights. The GOP thinks they can have their cake and eat it, too. They can't. They have to choose. If Arkansas wants big business to send them jobs, they need to respect the fact that many of the executives in the Wall Street boardroom are gay.

The GOP's arrogant stubbornness on this issue is political suicide, but hopefully no one will tell them.

There is a large difference of opinions between the republicans under 30 and the republicans over 50.

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You've got it backwards. The right-wingers are unaware that they lost the gay rights battle. They're in denial. They still think it's a winnable issue, they still think it's 2004. We keep trying to send them the memo explaining that it's 2015, but they refuse to read that damn liberal propaganda. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News tell the GOP voters what they want to hear, and since the right-wing media cocoon is tightly tightly sealed, the denial will continue.

Consider that Jeb Bush (who everyone insists is a "moderate") is actually defending Indiana & Gov. Pence! Surely Bush knows this rhetoric won't fly in the general election. Surely he knows he'll have to keep quiet and/or backpedal on gay rights if he's serious about winning the White House.

It's especially weird that the GOP is so out of touch with corporate America's position on this issue: NASCAR, NCAA, NFL, and WalMart (Walmart!) all strongly support gay rights. Almost all of corporate America (and the Koch brothers) firmly stand for gay rights. This must be completely bewildering to the average conservative voter who probably never considered that granting corporate personhood to Hobby Lobby would backfire so spectacularly.

The right-leaning red states need to decide if they want to court factories, jobs, and money from big corporations that support gay rights. The GOP thinks they can have their cake and eat it, too. They can't. They have to choose. If Arkansas wants big business to send them jobs, they need to respect the fact that many of the executives in the Wall Street boardroom are gay.

The GOP's arrogant stubbornness on this issue is political suicide, but hopefully no one will tell them.

All the GOP candidates came out supporting Mike Pence signing the bill.
Uh oh, Arkansas repub Governor came out and refused to sign.
Angies list, against Pence signing the bill, is run by a hard core Republican yet the right is blaming the Left, LOL.
Big Business vs the religious right are tearing the Republican side apart. Loving it :-)
Jobs or God.
Money or religion.
I've got the popcorn out, this is a lot of fun :-)

Mike Pence is desperate to fix this by Friday because NCAA tournament final 4 is in Indy this weekend.
His worst nightmare, the whole country watching Indy this weekend and the talk will be on him signing that anti gay bill,
I wonder if there are repubs in the Indiana legislature that want his job and therefore will let him twist in the wind this weekend.

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I'm betting they'll oppose legalization of marijuana.

Supporters of legalization of marijuana will only get true legal support in a few states. The other ones will simply accomplish their goals the back door way, via medicinal purposes.

We applied to one state for their authorization. They frankly told us that they had significant populations supporting either side of the bill, and they would piss off someone big time by writing a document. So they told us they were going to lose the request, and legally it would automatically be approved in 30 days because of non-response.

I had another problem that required approval by six different agencies. Nobody wanted to be the first one to approve, everyone wanted to say "We concur with the other agencies decision". Finally I wrote up a paper on a blank sheet with no letterhead, and I got the first agency to say they concurred with my document. Then the second agency could concur with the first agency. It went on and on and kept going up to higher and higher levels of signature. I had to laugh since at the very bottom of the heap was something I did on my little computer.

I think a lot of things get done that way