Miapolis for $22 billion

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various types of buildings for crowding people together separately.

That video of this monstrosity frightened
me. It's like they're presenting a prison in
a positive light. What type of person would
live in a place like that on purpose. I don't
even go to malls, haven't been to one in
10 years at least.

Quote: Pacomartin

Well I was very young, but I didn't know it was a dystopia.

I came upon dystopias quite early. One of the first films I recall seeing on TV is "Rollerball." And while I didn't see it until in high school, I recall much talk of "Soylent Green" back in elementary school.

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A "Canticle for Leibowitz" was my idea of a dystopia.

I wonder if I should read that one.

Asimov projected a world of 8+ billions in his Robot novel series. Extreme measures involving huge underground cities and communal living were required. Along with limited supplies of food. People subsisted on artificial food made of yeast.

I smile when I read the epitome of his vision in "The Caves of Steel." We're nearly there already! Minus the dystopian aspects.

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Asimov projected a world of 8+ billions in his Robot novel series. Extreme measures involving huge underground cities and communal living were required. Along with limited supplies of food. People subsisted on artificial food made of yeast. I smile when I read the epitome of his vision in "The Caves of Steel." We're nearly there already! Minus the dystopian aspects.

When "I Robot" was published the world population was 2.5 billion. Asimov died in 1992. By the late 1980's the world hit 5 billion, and in 1989 the number of additional people in one year peaked.

I read many of his books, but I wonder if he predicted this cycle.

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It's like they're presenting a prison in a positive light.

My grandfather referred to apartments as jails. He died in his 90's in a small house, always refusing to move to an apartment.

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That video of this monstrosity frightened
me. It's like they're presenting a prison in
a positive light. What type of person would
live in a place like that on purpose. I don't
even go to malls, haven't been to one in
10 years at least.

I can imagine some liking it. Thinking back to college, I'd be lying if I didn't say I enjoyed parts of it for some of the time. If I needed food, it was right down the hall. Go to class? Right down the hall. Want to hang out, socialize, drink, watch a movie, get laid? Right down the hall. For most of those things I didn't even need pants or shoes.

Some people are still like that now, mostly my age or younger. They always seem to need to be on the leading edge of things, need to be connected, put priority on interpersonal connections. I'd bet they'd eat that s#$% up. It provides them with the things they value; closeness, connectivity, convenience.

Me? I'd rather have a 3 room cabin smack in the middle of 1,000 acres surrounded by swamp so mucked up that only a tracked vehicle could make it to my home. Some would go nuts living so secluded. Different strokes and all that.

Quote: Face

Me? I'd rather have a 3 room cabin smack in the middle of 1,000 acres

I only go to the store once a month if
I could get away with it. Living around
people doesn't interest me, I'm a loner.
My wife and I haven't lived in the same
house for years. I have a big house and
spend 95% of it in a small office and
a small bedroom. Big houses are a
waste if you're all by yourself.

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I can imagine some liking it. Thinking back to college, I'd be lying if I didn't say I enjoyed parts of it for some of the time. If I needed food, it was right down the hall. Go to class? Right down the hall. Want to hang out, socialize, drink, watch a movie, get laid? Right down the hall. For most of those things I didn't even need pants or shoes.

Some people are still like that now, mostly my age or younger. They always seem to need to be on the leading edge of things, need to be connected, put priority on interpersonal connections. I'd bet they'd eat that s#$% up. It provides them with the things they value; closeness, connectivity, convenience.

There is a set, mostly born after 1985 or so, that will like it. The same kind of people who didn't get a drivers license until age 20, can;t remember much if any time before everyone had internet access, and would prefer we have a single-payer healthcare system. The kin of people who feel the need to go to the gym to use a treadmill instead of taking a walk on a nice day. For some reason, I think that is the target market.

I hear what you say about the "down the hall" thing. One factor in selecting my current home is that it is walking distance to many things. I walk to the Post Office all the time. I walked to get both the gas and 50:1 mix for my tiller last weekend. Several restaurants, a grocery store, hardware, and even a Dollar General, which I rarely hit but when I need that kind of thing fast I need it.

But does anyone besides me think that spending so much time inside in a place like this would be just unhealthy physically and mentally? I have been to a few 3 day conventions in big resorts, often casinos, where you are inside almost all the time. By the end of the second day I can feel something kind of wrong with my body. No sunlight or fresh air, all artificial. It is hard to describe, but it seems people who lived there would start to have weak immune systems and other body functions along with a mind that would not be turning on and off right due to not enough natural sunlight. Anyone else get this?

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But does anyone besides me think that spending so much time inside in a place like this would be just unhealthy physically and mentally? I have been to a few 3 day conventions in big resorts, often casinos, where you are inside almost all the time. By the end of the second day I can feel something kind of wrong with my body. No sunlight or fresh air, all artificial. It is hard to describe, but it seems people who lived there would start to have weak immune systems and other body functions along with a mind that would not be turning on and off right due to not enough natural sunlight. Anyone else get this?

The illness I wonder. I imagine it would be like any other large building, be it offices or a hospital. You'd probably wind up with some odd immune system that's super tuned and impervious to human transmission stuff like the flu, but exposure to simple coliforms in dirt would kill ya dead lol.

As for the rest, sure, but again, different strokes. Look how restricted city folk are already. All day in offices and apartments and cabs, feet always in shoes on marble or concrete, "fresh" air is smog instead of the refiltered a/c of the building, life revolving around schedules and deadlines that don't necessarily follow day/night cycles. Some have never seen a cow or heard a bird chirp (not counting pigeons). What would those types miss? If that life is "normal", what would be the difference? You'd no longer have to search/pay for parking, no longer have to search/pay for cab, no longer have to sit in traffic, no longer have to sit in a crowded subway. It might be an upgrade for city folk. Who knows? I mean, people actually live in NYC and LA. Hard to imagine a 3,000' tube in the sky, or anything, really, could be any worse.

Quote: Face

As for the rest, sure, but again, different strokes.

Look at the way people live in Manhattan in 90 square feet. And they are middle upper class lifestyles.


They are the height of luxury compared to some Hong Kong apartments

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I mean, people actually live in NYC and LA. Hard to imagine a 3,000' tube in the sky, or anything, really, could be any worse.

As bad as NYC would be, LA would have to be 10 times worse.

I look at some of the mega-cities we have and really wonder. When we used to go to LI for meetings and pass the city we would look at the huge buildings and joke, "there's the population of Glenns Falls, and there is Waterveliet!" The first time I saw Co-Op City I was simply amazed. And COC is at least a little sprawled with some open space. A city-state like Singapore or Hong Kong I could never imagine.

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Look at the way people live in Manhattan in 90 square feet. And they are middle upper class lifestyles.


They are the height of luxury compared to some Hong Kong apartments

These places look a lot more comfortable and bigger (they have the height, I don't) then the popup RV camper me and my girlfriend lived in for 4 nights last week at the Wanee Music Festival at the Spirit of the Suwanee music park and campground :-)

Own a 06 Fleetwood Timberlake popup.