Gigafactory

Quote: reno

That's a good point. It's a conflict of interest, (fox guarding the henhouse.) And it's not uncommon:

Quote: Harvard Law School

...just over half of companies in the S&P 500 Index are led by a dual chairman/CEO, down from 77 percent 15 years ago.

I did not know the numbers, but they are what I would have expected. SEC will not do anything as it is not sexy stuff. I just don't get how it was ever allowed. Classic Agency Problem.

Quote: AZDuffman

That is not really a lot of cars.

You're right, by automobile standards, they're still a small player. A comparison: in 2009, Mazda was making about 4,000 vehicles per week.

Quote: AZDuffman

Shipping cars is really basic stuff.

They'll figure it out. Shipping challenges can be solved. The much scarier problem is their $10 billion debt.

Tesla Just Outsold Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Acura, Infiniti In America, About To Crush BMW, Lexus In Q4

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/10/27/tesla-just-outsold-mercedes-benz-audi-acura-infinity-in-america-about-to-crush-bmw-lexus-in-q4/amp/

Tesla turns a profit

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-turns-profit-victory-ceo-elon-musk-n924091

General Motors is calling for the federal government to start a nationwide program that would put more electric vehicles on the roads and turbocharge innovation.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/26/business/gm-national-zero-emissions-electric-car-program/index.html

Quote: Dalex64

Tesla Just Outsold Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Acura, Infiniti In America, About To Crush BMW, Lexus In Q4l

Here are the luxury car numbers for US sales in the month of October:

1. Tesla 19,100
2. BMW 15,322
3. Mercedes 13,605
4. Lexus 7,615
5. Audi 5,449
6. Acura 3,476
7. Infiniti 3,185

But if you include luxury SUVs with cars, Tesla's share in October was a bit lower:

1. Mercedes 27,537
2. BMW 26,428
3. Lexus 22,716
4. Tesla 21,300
5. Audi 16,056
6. Acura 13,624
7. Infiniti 11,880
8. Jaguar Land Rover 7,846

Quote: reno

Here are the luxury car numbers for US sales in the month of October:

1. Tesla 19,100
2. BMW 15,322
3. Mercedes 13,605
4. Lexus 7,615
5. Audi 5,449
6. Acura 3,476
7. Infiniti 3,185

But if you include luxury SUVs with cars, Tesla's share in October was a bit lower:

1. Mercedes 27,537
2. BMW 26,428
3. Lexus 22,716
4. Tesla 21,300
5. Audi 16,056
6. Acura 13,624
7. Infiniti 11,880
8. Jaguar Land Rover 7,846

Pretty sad that the U.S. doesn't have one luxury car on the list. (Other than Tesla).

Quote: DRich

Pretty sad that the U.S. doesn't have one luxury car on the list. (Other than Tesla).

USA Makers did it to themselves.

Quote: AZDuffman

USA Makers did it to themselves.

Does anyone build anything other than an SUV anymore? They all look the same. IIANM, the other day I saw what I think was a new Cadillac, we both said blech.

But his being the last refuge of classic cars, I can still tell what make and year most muscle cars are at a distance.

Muscle car? When is the last time you saw an ad that even mentioned technical specs?
Cars are sold by brand name now.

Quote: petroglyph

Does anyone build anything other than an SUV anymore? They all look the same. IIANM, the other day I saw what I think was a new Cadillac, we both said blech.

But his being the last refuge of classic cars, I can still tell what make and year most muscle cars are at a distance.

SUVs are where it is at. The way they make them now they handle like cars, but once you see the U in them as well as the ride height you are hooked. Cars of up until the mid 50s rode at more or less the same height as today's SUVs.

The magic in cars is long gone. A few people want handling of a BMW, but the rest of us just see more and more cars that all look alike. Then add in that most manufacturers at the high end just name them as if assigning a SKU number. What is there to get excited about?

While in my younger days I wanted a Cadillac, today any SUV of the right size is all I care to have.

Quote: AZDuffman

SUVs are where it is at. The way they make them now they handle like cars, but once you see the U in them as well as the ride height you are hooked. Cars of up until the mid 50s rode at more or less the same height as today's SUVs.

The magic in cars is long gone. A few people want handling of a BMW, but the rest of us just see more and more cars that all look alike. Then add in that most manufacturers at the high end just name them as if assigning a SKU number. What is there to get excited about?

While in my younger days I wanted a Cadillac, today any SUV of the right size is all I care to have.

Makes sense, I may have to try sliding my butt into one, the right height anymore is important.

The paper has a sale on Tempure pedic inclining beds, 1k off. Considering.