Gigafactory
February 2nd, 2021 at 5:03:28 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4969 |
This is why I am a terrible investor. Thankfully I don't have a margin account otherwise I would have shorted Tesla and Gamestop. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
March 28th, 2021 at 12:16:12 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 | Imagine your electric vehicle without the battery. Then imagine using the structural frame as the battery and never adding most of the big battery pack.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
April 14th, 2021 at 10:30:35 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 | Apparently, there are a lot of new permits being requested for green energy downtime storage using this:
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
April 14th, 2021 at 8:15:36 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
The MSRP on the Teslas are pretty high. Are the sales of these Teslas coming out of existing luxury vehicle sales or they just added on? $37,990 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus 263 mile range $46,990 Tesla Model 3 Long Range 353 $55,990 Tesla Model 3 Performance 315 $49,990 Tesla Model Y Long Range 326 $60,990 Tesla Model Y Performance 303 $79,990 Tesla Model S Long Range 412 $79,990 Tesla Model X Long Range 371 $91,990 Tesla Model S Performance 387 $99,990 Tesla Model X Performance 341 Eventually the big Asian car manufacturers (Toyota is jumping in this year, Honda Killed Clarity EV but is working with GM) will produce BEV with the same range for a lot less money. Will the allure of Tesla diminish? $33,045 Hyundai IONIQ Electric 170 mile range $36,450 Hyundai Kona Electric 258 $39,990 Kia Niro Electric 239 $29,990 Nissan LEAF S 150 $36,550 Nissan LEAF S PLUS 226 Number of registrations of BEV in the US in 2020: (Tesla has 80% of market) 95,135 Tesla Model 3 71,344 Tesla Model Y 19,652 Tesla Model X 14,430 Tesla Model S 200,561 19,664 Chevrolet Bolt EV 8,972 Nissan LEAF 7,089 Audi e-tron 3,943 Porsche Taycan 2,964 Hyundai Kona Electric 2,807 Kia Niro EV 1,148 other 46,587 |
April 15th, 2021 at 2:19:48 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212 |
We will in the next few years find if the demand is for an EV or for a Tesla. I really think they are overestimating the demand for EVs. GM has decided it loves government regulations now what with them pushing Biden for more subsidies of these things. Like Obamacare, so great they have to force people to buy them...... The President is a fink. |
April 15th, 2021 at 5:23:57 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Tesla really is a rich person's toy car. They make a big deal two year of having a model for $35K, but they have discontinued it and only have the $38K model. That one really isn't selling very well, so the actual starting price is $47K. Toyota, the best selling brand in North America, has only 4 models that start at over $47K, and they sell in very small numbers. They are finally introducing a battery electric vehicle this year. I am curious as to the price they come up with and what kind of market penetration they will have. Up until now they have stated that their resources are better spent introducing hybrid models. They are much more affordable and will have a greater impact on air quality than a small number of BEVs.
$37,990 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range+ 263 mil range $46,990 Tesla Model 3 Long Range 353 $55,990 Tesla Model 3 Performance 315 $49,990 Tesla Model Y Long Range 326 $60,990 Tesla Model Y Performance 303 $79,990 Tesla Model S Long Range 412 $91,990 Tesla Model S Performance 387 $79,990 Tesla Model X Long Range 371 $99,990 Tesla Model X Performance 341 |
April 16th, 2021 at 2:31:07 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212 |
IIRC BMW used to say that EVs were just a stepping stone until hydrogen was ready. I still say if they are so good why are we forcing people to buy them by law? I was right when I said autonomous vehicles were being way, way oversold the past few years. I even wrote in to "Autoline" suggesting they be more like journalists and less like cheerleaders for that tech, boy the host was upset in his return email. Now a few years later they report that the tech is not going to be as promised! Well, yeah! Anyone thoughtful can see the simple hurdles to overcome. Almost as if the "smartest guys" see that they can program this and that but miss the simple such as what happens when two AVs meet at an intersection and do not know who goes first? I also asked them why are they wanting cars with no controls? How do you move a car a few feet forward in the driveway? How does a mechanic properly road test it? They do not even understand that kind of question. Just "the tech, the tech, the tech!" There is a C Store near me putting in Tesla chargers. Will these match up to everyone else's EV? What will happen when they realize there is nowhere near enough room to charge all these EVs at stations? And I cannot wait until the shortages for the rare earths the batteries need. The President is a fink. |
April 16th, 2021 at 3:38:56 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
The autonomous taxis that they are testing in Arizona only go on roads with speed limits of 45 mph or less.I think they have a strong future for this market. Children without driver's licenses, the inebriated, the elderly who may only go out once or twice a week, food delivery, etc. But most people under the age of 70 and over age 18 will not be happy with this as the only option. |
April 16th, 2021 at 4:01:13 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212 |
It is not going to work like they think it will work. Maybe in two generations. I will be dead by age 70 so that part likely will not matter to me. The President is a fink. |
April 16th, 2021 at 4:06:19 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Toyota is succumbing to pressure to make a BEV. Tesla's success is getting to be to obvious. They will release a BEV under the Toyota line and a second one under the Lexus line sometime this year. We will see if their 20 years of experience with hybrids allows them to produce a better BEV. There are some analysts that wonder if they will surprise people and come out with a hybrid version of one of their largest SUV, the 4 Runner. The Highlander could have a hybrid and BEV version. 2021 Toyota Highlander/Curb weight 4,145 to 4,450 lbs (hybrid available) 2021 Toyota 4Runner/Curb weight 4,400 to 4,805 lbs (no hybrid available at present) Another possibility is one their two pickups, the Tacoma and the Tundra. Electric pickup trucks have been rumored for some time |