Pro forma party orimaries

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June 1st, 2015 at 5:46:46 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
I think this decision is going to be subject of much controversy. It will be difficult to cut out most ex governors and the only African American and only woman running. That is 10 right there and that leaves out the Senators and the Donald


These things have to have a cutoff somewhere. If The Donald was sharp he would have an anti-debate with Carly and others. Even he and just Carly as a "business people debate." Rent a venue and put it on some kind of TV. Some place will cover it. With even 10 it gets next to impossible to keep things orderly and moving.
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June 1st, 2015 at 6:36:23 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
These things have to have a cutoff somewhere. If The Donald was sharp he would have an anti-debate with Carly and others. Even he and just Carly as a "business people debate." Rent a venue and put it on some kind of TV. Some place will cover it. With even 10 it gets next to impossible to keep things orderly and moving.


Early indications for the top 10 are below, but new formal entrants may change the ranking. But given television in our culture and obsession with ethnicity race and gender means you almost have to pick the Black Republican, the Woman, the Donald and Huckabee who wisely spent the last four years on TV.

    Top 5
  1. Ben Carson Author and former Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery for Johns Hopkins Hospital
  2. Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin since 2011;
  3. Marco Rubio U.S. Senator from Florida since 2011;
  4. Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida 1999–2007;
  5. Mike Huckabee Governor of Arkansas 1996–2007; presidential candidate in 2008

    Bottom 5
  6. Rand Paul U.S. Senator from Kentucky since 2011
  7. Ted Cruz U.S. Senator from Texas since 2013; Solicitor General of Texas 2003–2008
  8. Donald Trump, business magnate and television personality from New York
  9. Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey since 2010;
    tie
  10. Carly Fiorina CEO of Hewlett-Packard 1999-2005; nominee for U.S. Senate from California in 2010
  11. John Kasich, Governor of Ohio since 2011;

    BELOW CUTOFF
  12. George Pataki Governor of New York 1995-2006
  13. Rick Perry, Governor of Texas 2000–2015;
  14. Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana since 2008;
  15. Jim Gilmore Governor of Virginia
  16. Bob Ehrlich Governor of Maryland
  17. Lindsey Graham U.S. Senator from South Carolina since 2003; U.S. Representative from South Carolina 1995–2003
  18. Rick Santorum U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania 1995-2007; presidential candidate in 2012
June 2nd, 2015 at 2:19:46 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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Why the Donald? He's a bloviating waste of a bad haircut. I don't recall reading one thing he's said that would be an asset to the republican party and get them elected.

I read Carly Fiorina's pages, and wasn't really sure what she was trying to do, or even which nomination she was going for.

The participants should quickly work out whose the real fighting chance to get elected, and debate the line they want to take, with out injuring each other. If they do all the attack work for the Democrats, it'll make it easier for Clinton as she looks (right now) to be relatively unopposed. And so will be less bloodied byt the primaries.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 4:08:49 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: TheCesspit
Why the Donald? He's a bloviating waste of a bad haircut.


Well the polls are always going to include in the top 10 the people who are different and have a history of being on TV. The black man, the woman, Mike Huckabee and The Donald. After two presidents and three terms a Bush is going to come out in the top 10.

At the very least FoX news should make a preliminary cut of the top 5 four weeks before the debate. Then they should at least give a high profile introduction of 2 minutes apiece for a half hour show on the remaining 13 or so candidates. Then a national poll two weeks later. It would give the other candidates at least a fighting chance.
June 2nd, 2015 at 5:18:24 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin


At the very least FoX news should make a preliminary cut of the top 5 four weeks before the debate. Then they should at least give a high profile introduction of 2 minutes apiece for a half hour show on the remaining 13 or so candidates. Then a national poll two weeks later. It would give the other candidates at least a fighting chance.


If I were them I would have say three at a time on a one-half hour show once a week, rotating. A hybrid between a "Sunday Show" and a regular debate. Let the feedback determine the "winners" and who keeps moving forward. Those who do not get over with the public are not invited back as much then eventually not at all.

While doing it, be sure to show how the lamestreams are just shilling for Hillary perhaps.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 6:44:32 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Well the polls are always going to include in the top 10 the people who are different and have a history of being on TV. The black man, the woman, Mike Huckabee and The Donald.


I'm not sure whether it's Huckabee or Trump who is the comic relief in this bunch.

About timing in politics:

In 1991 right after the Gulf War, it seemed Bush the Elder could be reelected by acclamation, while the Democratic party would have been well advised to run no one at all and put all its money in resurrection research.

How did that turn out?

So for those who think the Republican primaries are the means to pick the candidate to lose against Hillary, remember 1991.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 10:55:34 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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So for those who think the Republican primaries are the means to pick the candidate to lose against Hillary, remember 1991.


I think it is a shame to exclude governors who have only declared their candidacy for a few weeks based on a national poll. The ones who are not on national TV don't stand a chance against eve the non-politicians who are going to rank high simply for being different.

They really ought to start with two debates, and simply divide them on previous experiences (governors debate and non-governors debate). At least everyone gets there couple of minutes on the national stage.

    Governors
  1. John Kasich, Governor of Ohio since 2011;
  2. Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin since 2011;
  3. Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey since 2010;
  4. Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana since 2008;
    ex-Governors
  5. Rick Perry, Governor of Texas 2000–2015;
  6. Mike Huckabee Governor of Arkansas 1996–2007;
  7. Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida 1999–2007;
  8. Bob Ehrlich Governor of Maryland 2003 to 2007
  9. George Pataki Governor of New York 1995-2006
  10. Jim Gilmore Governor of Virginia 1998 to 2002

    Not Governors
  11. Lindsey Graham U.S. Senator from South Carolina since 2003;
  12. Rand Paul U.S. Senator from Kentucky since 2011
  13. Marco Rubio U.S. Senator from Florida since 2011;
  14. Ted Cruz U.S. Senator from Texas since 2013;
  15. Rick Santorum U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania 1995-2007; presidential candidate in 2012
  16. Donald Trump, business magnate and television personality from New York
  17. Ben Carson Author and former Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery for Johns Hopkins Hospital
  18. Carly Fiorina CEO of Hewlett-Packard 1999-2005; nominee for U.S. Senate from California in 2010
June 2nd, 2015 at 11:24:39 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Pacomartin
I think it is a shame to exclude governors who have only declared their candidacy for a few weeks based on a national poll. The ones who are not on national TV don't stand a chance against eve the non-politicians who are going to rank high simply for being different.

They really ought to start with two debates, and simply divide them on previous experiences (governors debate and non-governors debate). At least everyone gets there couple of minutes on the national stage.

    Governors
  1. John Kasich, Governor of Ohio since 2011;
  2. Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin since 2011;
  3. Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey since 2010;
  4. Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana since 2008;
    ex-Governors
  5. Rick Perry, Governor of Texas 2000–2015;
  6. Mike Huckabee Governor of Arkansas 1996–2007;
  7. Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida 1999–2007;
  8. Bob Ehrlich Governor of Maryland 2003 to 2007
  9. George Pataki Governor of New York 1995-2006
  10. Jim Gilmore Governor of Virginia 1998 to 2002

    Not Governors
  11. Lindsey Graham U.S. Senator from South Carolina since 2003;
  12. Rand Paul U.S. Senator from Kentucky since 2011
  13. Marco Rubio U.S. Senator from Florida since 2011;
  14. Ted Cruz U.S. Senator from Texas since 2013;
  15. Rick Santorum U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania 1995-2007; presidential candidate in 2012
  16. Donald Trump, business magnate and television personality from New York
  17. Ben Carson Author and former Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery for Johns Hopkins Hospital
  18. Carly Fiorina CEO of Hewlett-Packard 1999-2005; nominee for U.S. Senate from California in 2010


Now the rush is on for senators and govenors to get on TV.
In order to do that, they have to pretty much ignore their jobs.
The whole political system has evolved to getting the worst senators (missed votes) and worst Govenors (ignore the state to campaign in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina) to run for President
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June 2nd, 2015 at 11:36:42 AM permalink
Nareed
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BTW, the high approval ratings, and the perception of a certain landslide reelection which Bush the Elder enjoyed, were instrumental in gutting the democratic field of the better-known candidates. See who ran in 88 vs 92. IMO, people like Mario Cuomo stayed away from what they perceived as certain defeat, and opened up the gates for a rather obscure southern governor. Prior to 92, Clinton was best known, outside his state, for delivering a long speech at a Democratic party national convention.

How he survived revelations of personal affairs worse than those which sunk Gary Heart, that's pure Slick Willy Magic.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 2:13:56 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Lest we forget, Last time they really had only 10 candidates that appeared in debates, but never more than 9 at one time. There were 5 governors (1 present governor)

  1. Rick Perry, Governor of Texas (2000-2015)
  2. Jon Huntsman, Jr., Former Governor of Utah (2005-2009) and US Ambassador to China
  3. Gary Johnson, Former Governor of New Mexico (1995-2003)
  4. Tim Pawlenty, Former Governor of Minnesota, (2003-2011)
  5. Mitt Romney Former governor of Massachusetts, (2003-2007)
  6. Rick Santorum, Former U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania
  7. Newt Gingrich, Former U.S. Speaker of the House of Representatives from Georgia
  8. Michele Bachmann, U.S. Representative from Minnesota
  9. Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas
  10. Herman Cain, Businessman of Georgia
  11. Buddy Roemer, Former governor of Louisiana (1988 – 1992) (was not invited to debate)
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