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March 2nd, 2016 at 4:33:29 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18834 |
I think Natural vs artificial argument is often misused. Most of the problems are trade-off issues. If you are willing to deal with the trade-off then maybe artificial is better for you than natural. For instance if some people can have a more comfortable but shorter life taking a drug-- they may choose the comfort over the length. It's only when something is misrepresented that it becomes unethical IMO, i.e., all the facts. The crunchy whole natural foods, and make your own stuff naturally, is not the lifestyle everyone would choose, even when given a choice. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
March 2nd, 2016 at 4:43:27 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Here is another article with different groups and rates and percents, hard to pull out what you want. Small sample size of catholic school girls, too Http://ccgaction.org/node/1076 The problem with looking at a difference of scale, such as 4x, is it can represent a large range of percents. For example, group A can hook up at a rate of 1 to 25%, meaning group B hooks up at a rate of 4 to 100% 4% - not such a big deal to be 4x of 1%. - but 100% hook-up participation rate? That would really be something to talk about. The article I linked to has percents also, but I didn't read it very closely. In one place it says 38%, in another 76%. No patience for decoding it right now, though. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
March 2nd, 2016 at 5:16:44 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
"Findings revealed that for both females and males, church attendance was negatively related to some forms of hooking-up behaviors (the more frequent the church attendance, the less frequent the hooking-up behavior), but religious feeling was only significant in reducing hooking-up behavior for males. For females, the emotional attachment to religion had little impact on their decision to participate in hooking-up behaviors." "She found that most intrinsic (religious) students were significantly less likely to participate in premarital sexual intercourse–except for Roman Catholics. For the Catholic students in the Stoddard study, affiliation with the Catholic Church made no difference in reducing the rate of engaging in premarital sexual behavior." This is the zinger: "Unlike students on evangelical or conservative Protestant campuses, students on Catholic campuses do not constitute what the authors identify as a “moral community.” When Catholic students enter college, it appears that they do not enter with the same level of religious commitment or knowledge of their faith as their Protestant counterparts. The Catholic women in the study report significantly lower levels of subjective religiousness than both conservative and mainline Protestant respondents." I'll say it again, Catholic girls have always had the reputation of being 'easy' to get sex from. Why is that, why are the Evangelicals succeeding in producing chaste girls, and why have the Catholics always failed. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:09:45 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | I think some of that comes from a feeling of repression they had when they were growing up, and now that they have the freedom to make their own decision, these are the decisions they are making in disproportionate numbers compared to other groups. So, too much discipline and too many rules backfires/suffers from backlash. You can see the opposite, too, where not enough rules or not enough discipline leads to similar sorts of problems. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:31:03 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
I knew a woman that went to 12 years of Catholic school and she was a mess. She thought sex was filthy, but had it all the time with different men. She would never say the name of a part of the sexual anatomy, but was a wildcat in bed. She also treated anybody she slept with like crap, because she was doing a 'dirty' act with them. Needless to say, her life is still a mess 30 years later. But she still wears the cross and has an alter in her house. Bless the lord. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
March 2nd, 2016 at 8:20:39 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | It seems like you hear about that sort of thing a lot. I know a couple of people personally who rebelled like this with sex and promiscuity after a strict religious and strongly disciplined upbringing. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
March 2nd, 2016 at 8:26:25 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
We don't do this to make our eyesight blurry or to give ourselves an irregular heartbeat. We use chemicals and implanted devices to help fix a problem. Fertility is not a problem! It is a sign of health so the question remains, why in the world would we choose in this one case to treat a sign of health as a problem in women and give them pills and other things that can harm them? It seems terribly unfair, unjust, illogical, and sexist.
It is just getting worse for you. First of all the Church has no stance on hair length or hair dyes. The choice to avoid pregnancy is not justified after the fact. It is a discussion that needs to and should happen prayerfully and thoughtfully between spouses before the fact. As I mentioned before you can use natural means but still have a contraceptive mentality. The Church agrees with NFP not by happenstance but because it respects the natural way the human body works and is healthiest for the woman and the couple.
Yes, first and foremost you need to teach people to be moral. I wish more people would try this method first. If instead having a culture and so many thrusting "safe sex" on us it might be a better approach if we all first encouraged young people and all of us to be moral. The problem is that now people think that because of contraception they can have sex without consequences and that too has lead to unwanted pregnancies and the rampant spread of sexually transmitted diseases. The other thing not enough people talk about, but one I have to deal with a lot, is the broken hearts of young women left in the wake of sexual promiscuity and the resulting guilt, sadness, and body image issues they feel. If we really took seriously our effort to educate and form moral people who did not want to commit crimes then we wouldn't need to ban guns. The same can be said about contraception. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
March 2nd, 2016 at 8:33:53 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18834 | I oppose abstinence training, when it presented as the only acceptable moral choice. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
March 2nd, 2016 at 8:38:24 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I believe it. The reason is not at all because of some Catholic repression or us teaching that sex is dirty. It is because we don't evangelize in the way our brother and sister protestants often do. Catholics are good at ritual and sacraments. These exterior experiences of prayer are good, but if it stays exterior and doesn't reach someone's heart and soul then it does not prepare them for the times when they will be without the Catholic community, without ready access to the sacraments, and experiencing a new freedom. When you experience the deep love of Jesus Christ personally in your life it helps you deal with the temptations to sin and difficulties of life. As a Church we need to do a better job. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
March 2nd, 2016 at 8:53:21 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Nope, that's not the reason. They don't screw around because of the repercussions it would cause in their family and among their peers. I'm an expert on this, I've watched 17 of my wife's nephews and nieces grow up in an Evangelical environment. They have all the same urges that Catholic kids have, but they would be shunned if they gave into them. Shunned by the family and shunned by their church. So what they do is go to college, meet a nice mate, get engaged, and screw like rabbits. Get married after they graduate. The difference might be the Catholic girl can go to confession to make it OK. The non Catholic has no where to go except down, so they control themselves with so much to lose. Christians watch other Christians like hawks for the slightest impropriety, so they can pounce. Either church is massively flawed raising massively flawed kids. Flaws that you really don't see in secular families. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |