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November 25th, 2018 at 2:03:06 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Jesus is their stooge, he even said he was. I'll do anything you ask of me, he said, as long as you believe. Of course it's obvious he does nothing, but they never seem to notice. They take random green lights and random good parking spaces as the 'sign' that Jesus is looking out for them. When they get together and trade stories of all their random events, it looks like Jesus is doing a good job. It works exactly like a casino works. Rows and rows of people playing slots, and on a regular basis the bells go off and somebody wins a jackpot. This gives the faulty impression that people are getting ahead, everybody around you is winning. Praying to your stooge Jesus and playing the slots are suckers games, and people love them. Makes them feel special. stooge: noun 1.a person who serves merely to support or assist others If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 25th, 2018 at 2:53:38 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | For fear someone might point out, that they don't believe strongly enough. The long con personified. add; https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/machiavellians-gulling-the-rubes/201512/the-long-and-short-cons-master-manipulators The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
November 25th, 2018 at 3:12:38 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
It's the longest con in history. FrG is always crowing about how old Xtionity is. He's really just pointing out how new suckers are born in every generation for the Church to keep bilking out of their money. Promise everything, prove nothing, and they just keep coming back for more. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 25th, 2018 at 4:11:43 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Confounding how herds of people continue to gather in flocks, although tons of evidence is available they are being duped? Must fill some psychological belief that they are safer in groups? That however, is one reasonable belief about joining in with a group . "Machiavellianism in psychology refers to a personality trait which sees a person so focused on their own interests they will manipulate, deceive, and exploit others to achieve their goals. Machiavellianism is one of the traits in what is called the 'Dark Triad', the other two being narcissism and psychopathy.Jan 8, 2015" The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
November 25th, 2018 at 6:24:10 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You know this would never work. The question you refuse to answer or think about is what if we who believe get proof all the time of God's love and it fills us more than anything else ever could. You like to think Christianity is about getting some material thing like a green light or winning at slots. A mature faith doesn't seek these things but instead helps us make sense of life, its meaning, purpose, and help to do what is right and strength in the difficult moments. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
November 25th, 2018 at 6:24:41 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What evidence are you speaking about? It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
November 25th, 2018 at 7:49:09 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Why wouldn't I, do you see any conditions here on what you should ask for? Because it doesn't work, you make up the conditions. It wasn't a freak sentence you can dismiss, Jesus made this a real selling point for his propaganda over and over. You cannot dismiss it or ignore it. Matthew 18:19; Matthew 21:22; Mark 11:24; John 14:13; John 15:7; John 15:16; John 16:2324; James 1:56; James 1:17; 1 John 3:22; 1 John 5:1415 19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. Whatever you want, no caveats, no hidden meaning. It's crystal clear what he meant. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 25th, 2018 at 7:54:44 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Evidence that prayer doesn't work, for starters. For over a hundred years there has been study after study done on praying for sick people in hospitals. The results for the ones being prayed for and the ones not being prayed for are always exactly the same. Praying is a scam, pray or don't, it makes no difference. There's no god listening because there is no god. And don't you dare ask me for links to the studies, I've already done that several times, I don't play that game with you anymore. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 25th, 2018 at 10:45:19 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | There I think have been two of those ridiculous studies you have linked to. I imagine I don't need to point out the flaws in them again and the misunderstanding they promote about prayer. Please read the Gospels again and imagine what Jesus teaches about prayer and what it is about. Your prooftexting doesn't really do justice to the Lord's teaching does it? I will say it again that prayer is about a relationship with God. There is nothing greater nor more life giving. Nor is there anything more miraculous and important. This is what God does desire to give to you. If you would stop praying to win at roulette or get a good parking spot and truly prayed to know God I know He would give this to you! It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
November 25th, 2018 at 11:24:31 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
That's what you say, because asking Jesus for what you want obviously doesn't work. It's a pretty big deal, look at how many places it is in the NT. You're like a car salesman who's TV ads promise a car that goes 140 and has a leather interior and the price is only $14K. But when you get the actual vehicle, it's a piece of poorly made junk that can barely get out of it's own way. That's Xtionity. It literally promises the sun and the moon, get anything you pray for, and life after death for a cherry on the Sundae. But the product you sell is all hot air and empty promises. It's the old shell game, you keep moving the pea to another walnut shell, the customer never wins. Sure, you say, Jesus said all that, and in no uncertain terms. But it's not what he meant. Wink wink, here's what he really meant, you say. This always reminds me of the Cardiff Giant story. A man built a 10 foot tall giant in the middle of the 19th century and said he dug it up on his farm. He charged people to see it and sold it for a ton of money. It was eventually discovered to be a hoax, but people still paid to see it for years. It's what the phrase 'There's a sucker born every minute' was about. That's Xtionity. It's a hoax, and many believers suspect it. But like the Cardiff Giant, they so much want it to be real that they pretend it is, cause wouldn't that be nice.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |