Simple question?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/2016/01/simple-but-wrong.html

Kindof a silly cartoon. I saw it on facebook and did a google search, which led me to that site.

It resonates with another one of my pet peeves/ logical fallacies, that the simple answer must be the correct one.

Quote: Dalex64

It resonates with another one of my pet peeves/ logical fallacies, that the simple answer must be the correct one.

Immigration guy: What caused the civil war?

Apu: Oh, there were many reasons! The conflict between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists, the industry in the North that-

Immigration guy: Just say "slavery."

Quote: Dalex64

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/2016/01/simple-but-wrong.html

Kindof a silly cartoon. I saw it on facebook and did a google search, which led me to that site.

It resonates with another one of my pet peeves/ logical fallacies, that the simple answer must be the correct one.

I love that cartoon!

Quote: rxwine

I'm not sure if I made the best use of the idea. But anyway, once you have actual evidence, doesn't matter what the other 4-5 billion people on Earth think no matter how smart some of them are.

That is pretty arrogant of you don't you think? While 5 billion people might have it all wrong I would never say it doesn't matter what they think. I would take it very seriously and investigate it thoroughly. I think you continue to prop up a strawman by thinking I am saying that because so many people believe it then it must be true. I am only saying that if 99% of all human beings have believed or do believe in God than it is significant and worth noting. I would say that if so many people believe in something you might want to start there and disprove what they believe, which of course you cannot do.

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But you have to actually have evidence, not just variations of a Nigerian scam presentation where there is a reward promised once you commit to the process ahead of time. (heaven being the reward (carrot). Hell is the stick)

Do you really think the philosophical, historical, and scientific evidence I have presented amounts to a Nigerian scam?!? You may have a response to them that hopefully is at a different level than Evenbob just screaming with his fingers in his ears that it is not evidence. I would love to hear any rebuttals or responses, but all I get are unhelpful comments like yours above.

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Pretty sure if the Pope had harder evidence for Christianity, he'd bring it out. If Muslims dying for Allah isn't convincing to everyone, nothing Christians are doing is any more convincing.

By harder evidence are you restricting yourself to only scientific evidence? Because that is not going to convince anyone. What convinces people are the answers to their deepest questions in life and if they actually ask those questions they will find them in Christ Jesus.

Quote: FrGamble

You may have a response to them that hopefully is at a different level than Evenbob just screaming with his fingers in his ears that it is not evidence.

Christians always want to present as
'evidence' their 'real' day to day
relationship with Jesus. Then they
act insulted when you dismiss it
out of hand. It's like the guy at the
funny farm being insulted because
you don't believe he's really Teddy
Roosevelt. Some of us need more
proof than just taking your word for
it.

This personal 'love affair' with Jesus
is a relatively new thing. Christians
didn't talk about this relationship in
those terms before about the early
90's. There's a whole movement
about it. It's nuts.

"Fall in love with Jesus. Is this a term you use? Has someone encouraged you to fall more deeply in love with Jesus? To have a love affair with him? To become passionate or intimate with him?
In a previous post I’ve pointed out how the extra-biblical term “personal relationship with Jesus” has become the #1 metaphor Evangelicals use to describe discipleship. But many pastors and teachers are doubling-down on the relational language – encouraging their flocks to “fall in love with Jesus” or “have a love affair with Jesus.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/churchformen/2014/12/stop-telling-me-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus/

Forming a relationship with the living Lord Jesus is not something new, it is as old as prayer itself. Nevertheless, while I'm glad you recognize that real personal experiences do represent some type of evidence I was more referring to the philosophical, historical, and scientific arguments I have presented.

Quote: FrGamble

Nevertheless, while I'm glad you recognize that real personal experiences do represent some type of evidence.

You got that from what I wrote? Nice try.
I view it as evidence of no god at all, just
more delusional thinking.

In the 50's 60's and 70's, nobody talked
like they do now about Jesus, they would
have been escorted from church and probably
locked up. In those days you could have
people committed to an asylum for talking
like they do now. This 'love affair with Jesus'
twaddle started about 20 years ago, and
it's further evidence the cult is out of control.

Quote: FrGamble

Do you really think the philosophical, historical, and scientific evidence I have presented amounts to a Nigerian scam?!?

Well, you know, Evenbob, Nareed, Dalex and myself can all see that the Bible claims god has done some fantastic things in the past. It's not like we'd be asking for something he hasn't already done. So, yeah, it's like any other scam when you won't even show the stuff that was already claimed. Same things we ask of people on the other board. Nothing arrogant to ask about backing up what is already claimed. I certainly won't expect anything that hasn't already been claimed before. Seems fair to me.

I volunteer to be turned into a pillar of salt while the other's watch. But whatever. Maybe he could bring David Bowie back to life? Or Abe Vigoda.

Quote: Evenbob

You got that from what I wrote? Nice try.
I view it as evidence of no god at all, just
more delusional thinking.

Sure you are trying to discredit it as evidence by simply saying it is something you don't understand and seems strange to you. I feel the same way about someone who doesn't believe in God. Do you have any other evidence or argument as to why the real experiences of millions and millions of people who are very sane and intelligent should be summarily dismissed. Or are you just standing by your argument that you don't understand it, are creeped out by it, so it must not be true. I swear sometimes you argue little a little child. By the way our great saints throughout the entire history of the Church have always spoken about a deep, personal, and loving relationship with Jesus Christ.

Quote: rxwine

Well, you know, Evenbob, Nareed, Dalex and myself can all see that the Bible claims god has done some fantastic things in the past. It's not like we'd be asking for something he hasn't already done. So, yeah, it's like any other scam when you won't even show the stuff that was already claimed. Same things we ask of people on the other board. Nothing arrogant to ask about backing up what is already claimed. I certainly won't expect anything that hasn't already been claimed before. Seems fair to me.

Have you ever sent the money into the Nigerian prince? You won't do it again. Scams are based on past false claims and future false claims. They immediately show themselves to be scams because they cannot deliver in the new ways they promised in the future. In Christianity we have had over 2,000 years of people experiencing more joy, fulfillment, and peace than can be imagined based on real past events that are repeated in new ways according to the needs of the present people. People are brought back from the death of sin to the new life of freedom, people are changed to be salt for the earth and a light for all the nations, people dedicate themselves to serving their families, loved ones, and their community in heroic ways. Anyone with a brain can see that a "scam" doesn't continue for 2,000 years constantly growing if the stuff in the past wasn't real and the present and future blessings are not real. I think the claims are backed up very well.