Simple question?

Quote: FrGamble

Jesus is not like most dead men, as can be pretty clearly discerned by the fact that no one has or ever will make a more lasting impact on the world and all of humanity.

Probably the person who invented the wheel did that. Or the first farmer.

Quote: rxwine

Probably the person who invented the wheel did that. Or the first farmer.

The wheel is not an invention. It has always existed into eternity past.

Quote: pew

The wheel is not an invention. It has always existed into eternity past.

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No wheels exist in nature.

Throughout history, most inventions were inspired by the natural world. The idea for the pitchfork and table fork came from forked sticks; the airplane from gliding birds. But the wheel is one hundred percent homo sapien innovation

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The wheel was a relative latecomer.

We tend to think that inventing the wheel was item number two on our to-do list after learning to walk upright. But several significant inventions predated the wheel by thousands of years: sewing needles, woven cloth, rope, basket weaving, boats and even the flute.

The first wheels were not used for transportation.

Evidence indicates they were created to serve as potter’s wheels around 3500 B.C. in Mesopotamia—300 years before someone figured out to use them for chariots.

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/a-salute-to-the-wheel-31805121/#ZhLAgVmSU3p0bjXI.99

Quote: FrGamble

It is relevant to the search for truth. While logic would say that just because 5 billion people believe something it is not necessarily true, I think common sense would say that this information is important to know and a good place to begin the search for truth.

Uh-huh.

So if billions or even millions of people believe there's a Jewish conspiracy to control the world, we should look into it and investigate every living Jew, as that would be a good place to begin to search for the truth?

Wrong headed thinking can last a long time and be believed by a lot of people, that's for sure. 2000 years does not necessarily give it credibility just makes it a sadder case than usual.

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Bloodletting (or blood-letting) is the withdrawal of blood from a patient to cure or prevent illness and disease. Bloodletting was based on an ancient system of medicine in which blood and other bodily fluids were regarded as "humors" that had to remain in proper balance to maintain health. It is claimed to have been the most common medical practice performed by surgeons from antiquity until the late 19th century, a span of almost 2,000 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting

Quote: FrGamble

Um...who is it again that believes in reincarnation based on the testimony of young kids who say that they have memories and visions of someone from beyond the grave???

Because living people have corroborated the
child's memories, over and over and over again.
The investigators rule out every possible way
the kid could have gotten these facts, and you're
left with what you're left with.

None of the scientists involved in this labor intensive
process has ever said this is evidence of reincarnation.
They all say it does point in that direction, but that's
as far as they take it.

Unlike people like you who think they're having a
completely unprovable ongoing 'revelation', and
jump up and down screaming at us 'It's proof! It's
proof! It's proof!' When in actuality it's nothing more
an ongoing example of self delusion. Mental wards
are stuffed with people who think they're really
talking to supernatural beings, or long dead humans.

Quote: rxwine

Wrong headed thinking can last a long time and be believed by a lot of people, that's for sure. 2000 years does not necessarily give it credibility just makes it a sadder case than usual.

Even after this began to die down, and it passed through several modifications first (leeches, anyone?), other ways to manipulate blood came into vogue. Things like cupping, for instance.

For that matter, most SPA treatments are pure bunk, but spas are hardly in trouble as an industry. To be fair some of their offerings are nice, even if they're bunk. Some, though, are dangerous.

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None of the scientists involved in this labor intensive
process has ever said this is evidence of reincarnation.

What do you mean? They are presenting evidence through their research and we can examine this research and come to conclusions based on it by also taking many other evidence available to the contrary and the honest examination of this research.

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Unlike people like you who think they're having a
completely unprovable ongoing 'revelation',

Why is this real relationship with Jesus and its real results in lives changed and insights gained not "proof" or evidence?

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jump up and down screaming at us 'It's proof! It's
proof! It's proof!' When in actuality it's nothing more
an ongoing example of self delusion.

You are just continuing to be insulting and delusional yourself. Remember that it is you who keep shouting "show me the proof!" I continue to show you evidence and you ignore it or call it self delusion or mental illness. This is not helpful and not true.

http://uvamagazine.org/articles/the_science_of_reincarnation

So, we have a premise that consciousness can survive without a body.

On the surface, it is similar to many religious beliefs - your soul continues to exist after the body dies.

The religious are dead-set against any version of post-mortem consciousness that doesn't agree with their path to salvation and the afterlife.

I would think that they would be glad to see something like the extracorporeal transfer of memories or more to be possible.

What does non-corporeal consciousness mean? Ghosts? A soul? Is there a non-corporeal component to our life, or to all life? Or to everything? Is it something that exists somewhere else, that reaches out to us here, or is it something generated by our physical bodies which is carried in some unknown universal medium? In the same way that we make heat which radiates from our body, do our thoughts radiate and resonate with something outside of ourselves?

I believe this conservation about reincarnation could be best continued on the thread Evenbob started on this issue. Maybe Evenbob could join that discussion again and deal with the good questions, concerns, and debate that are found there.