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February 15th, 2017 at 12:45:08 AM permalink
stinkingliberal Member since: Nov 9, 2016 Threads: 17 Posts: 731	Quote: ams288 BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html Treason. All of them. Lock him up!

February 15th, 2017 at 7:59:04 AM permalink

reno

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Quote: Nareed
Great plot for a movie. Real life doesn't work that way.

As recently as February 8, Flynn was claiming that he hadn't discussed sanctions with Kislyak. (Pence told CBS News the same thing in January.)

But Flynn was either too naive to know that Kislyak's phone was tapped, or perhaps Flynn knew it but naively assumed no one in the U.S. intelligence community would leak the phone transcript to the media and contradict Flynn's claim. The bottom line is that the Washington Post found nine sources (nine?!?) among different intelligence agencies who said the transcript of the phone conversations with Kislyak proved Flynn had lied.

This is all based on the premise that Washington Post isn't completely making this story up, but considering that Flynn resigned it's likely that the story is true. Did those 9 people go rogue? Did the senior managers at CIA, DIA, NSA sign off on this leak? Was this leak coordinated among the various agencies? And why didn't Trump fight harder to keep Flynn around?

In sum, there are apparently some high-ranking intelligence officials with access to extremely classified information deliberately sabotaging the Trump administration.

February 15th, 2017 at 8:23:59 AM permalink
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212	Quote: reno In sum, there are apparently some high-ranking intelligence officials with access to extremely classified information deliberately sabotaging the Trump administration. Did you think the CIA was independent and served at the pleasure of the POTUS and was not political? The President is a fink.

February 15th, 2017 at 9:48:17 AM permalink

reno

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Quote: AZDuffman
Did you think the CIA was independent and served at the pleasure of the POTUS and was not political?

You nailed it. I'm beginning to think the spy agencies might just have their own agenda.

In retrospect, Trump picked a fight with the wrong people. In December, he taunted the CIA by saying“These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.” In January he compared the CIA to Nazi Germany.

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on January 2nd. “So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.”

To be fair, Trump isn't the first President to go to war with the intelligence community. Richard Nixon instructed James Schlesinger to fire 4,000 agents. Jimmy Carter instructed Stansfeld Turner to fire 820 agents. Nixon and Carter both went on to have delightfully successful presidencies, so what could possibly go wrong for Trump?

February 15th, 2017 at 12:09:36 PM permalink

Evenbob

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Quote: reno
Nixon and Carter both went on to have delightfully successful presidencies, so what could possibly go wrong for Trump?

Nixon was a secretive crook and Carter
was a bumbling micromanager afraid
of his own shadow. He had to get so
many opinions before he made a
decision, he often ended up doing
nothing at all. Neither failed because
of the intelligence community being
pissed off.

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

February 15th, 2017 at 2:05:40 PM permalink

stinkingliberal

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Quote: Evenbob
Nixon was a secretive crook and Carter
was a bumbling micromanager afraid
of his own shadow. He had to get so
many opinions before he made a
decision, he often ended up doing
nothing at all. Neither failed because
of the intelligence community being
pissed off.

But I doubt it helped them, either. The intelligence community and the President are supposed to be on the same side. Trump has a long history of antagonizing people for no good reason. He can't keep his mouth shut even when opening it damages him.

It also damages the country when the President is engaging in a kinky sex bromance with an enemy of our country. The intelligence community is rightfully afraid that anything they tell him will go straight to Putin.

Crooked Donald is Putin's bitch!

February 15th, 2017 at 2:27:58 PM permalink
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011	Quote: stinkingliberal the President is engaging in a kinky sex bromance with an enemy of our country. Obama? That's very doubtful, Obama is too busy running his shadow gov't farce. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

February 15th, 2017 at 2:36:29 PM permalink
stinkingliberal Member since: Nov 9, 2016 Threads: 17 Posts: 731	Quote: Evenbob Obama? That's very doubtful, Obama is too busy running his shadow gov't farce. Bob, haven't you read the news? Trump is currently sitting in the White House, not Obama. I thought you were a little more up on current events.

February 15th, 2017 at 2:51:57 PM permalink

AZDuffman

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Quote: reno
You nailed it. I'm beginning to think the spy agencies might just have their own agenda.

Ya think?!

There is a reason why that Donald Sutherland speech in "JFK" is so believable. We are talking about an agency that built an office building in plain sight under a false front name. That has had almost as many front companies as the mafia.

But like the speech, you must ask "why?" Who is Trump scaring?

The President is a fink.

February 16th, 2017 at 10:26:14 AM permalink

reno

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This right-wing blogger argues that the audio recording of Flynn's phone call to Kislyak ought to be made public.

Quote: Andrew McCarthy
It is hard to quantify how dumb this [phone call] was. Flynn, a retired three-star Army general, is not just a long-time intelligence veteran. He was the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). How could he not have realized that, even in the best of times, Russian officials are routinely monitored under FISA — and this, far from the best of times, was a time of high suspicion? It seems inconceivable that Flynn did not consider the likelihood, the virtual certainty, that he was calling a wiretapped line, that his call would be recorded and reviewed by the intelligence community — a community he was part of and has made a business of antagonizing since being fired by Obama in 2014.

Even if the call had been prearranged by text messages (the two men have known each other since Flynn’s DIA days), how could Flynn have gone through with it when Obama’s announcement of punitive measures that very day made it a certainty that Kislyak would mention them? It makes no difference that Flynn had no intention or authority to make a deal with Russia on Trump’s behalf. If Kislyak broached the subject of relief from Obama’s actions — something that Flynn would be powerless to prevent him from doing — it could then be reported, accurately if misleadingly, that they had “discussed the sanctions.”

The solution here? Transparency.

Quote: Andrew McCarthy
If I were the Trump White House, I’d get that recording out in public — today. Don’t wait for detractors to make it look like they’re prying it from you in “a congressional investigation of Trump administration collusion with the Putin regime.” Put it out yourselves.

What have you got to lose? If it corroborates Flynn’s version of events, the public will understand that nothing of consequence happened in the conversation. If Flynn is misreporting it, it will support the White House story that the general is an unreliable source of information who was unsuited to a top advisory post. But the contents of the conversation are going to be public at some point anyway, so now is the time to be transparent rather than guilty-looking.

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