Trump & Putin

Does anyone think that an unnamed government officials leaking what are likely illegal recordings to the media is probably worse than anything that might have been said in the phone conversation. It appears awful close to treason to me.

Quote: kenarman

Does anyone think that an unnamed government officials leaking what are likely illegal recordings to the media is probably worse than anything that might have been said in the phone conversation. It appears awful close to treason to me.

But it doesn't bother you that colluding with a foreign government to influence the results of an election, which wasn't exactly confined to Flynn (no matter how much the administration tries to throw him under the bus), is high treason?

As to the leaks, they may have been technically illegal. But they do not fit the definition of treason. In fact, it could be easily argued that it is a brave act of loyalty to one's country to put oneself at risk to EXPOSE treason, which is what the leakers did.

BTW, the leakers who helped to bring Nixon down were often in technical violation of the law as well. And I am willing to bet that you are perfectly fine with the leakers in Obama's White House who manufactured scandals. Because he's a Muslim darky.

Quote: kenarman

Does anyone think that an unnamed government officials leaking what are likely illegal recordings to the media is probably worse than anything that might have been said in the phone conversation. It appears awful close to treason to me.

If a government official breaks the law and a CIA agent learns of it, don't the voters have a right to know that the official is a criminal (even if it means the agent must leak classified information)?

I think the answer to this question is entirely dependent upon the nature of the crime.

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Does anyone think that an unnamed government officials leaking what are likely illegal recordings to the media is probably worse than anything that might have been said in the phone conversation. It appears awful close to treason to me.

That's like blaming the fire alarm for the fire.

Quote: Nareed

That's like blaming the fire alarm for the fire.

Which is true if it is actually a false alarm and there is no fire.

"Legal Definition of treason. : the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country" Merriam Webster.

Sounds a lot like that is what is going on by the media and entrenched bureaucrats that don't like the new kid on the block.

Quote: kenarman

Which is true if it is actually a false alarm and there is no fire.

So he didn't lie to Vice President Pence either? Don't you think keeping senior administration officials in the dark about policy actions is even slightly wrong?

Quote: kenarman

"Legal Definition of treason. : the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country" Merriam Webster.

Sounds a lot like that is what is going on by the media and entrenched bureaucrats that don't like the new kid on the block.

A literal implication of this rather simplistic definition, would mean anyone who votes against Pence in 2020 is guilty of treason.

Pick your battles. Defending the indefensible is not an easy task.

Quote: Nareed

Defending the indefensible is not an easy task.

I look to you Nareed for help with tha since you have much more experience with doing it.

It looks like Trump may also have kept Pence in the dark. Sometime in January Trump found out about what was going on, but didn't tell Pence, who didn't find out until sometime in February.

Trump and his team decided nothing illegal happened. (like we should just trust them)

So all was fine with them, and the "trust issues," until it became public.

Suddenly there were trust issues and a resignation was called for.

So, he could continue to trust the guy... that is, until knowledge of what he did became public. Then he can't trust him.

Things that make you go hmm.