Ken Burns' "Vietnam"

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September 13th, 2017 at 2:25:00 PM permalink
Nareed
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I wouldn't call either China or Vietnam today Communist countries. They both have a high degree of respect for the free market.


I'm sorry. Strong respect?

I don't know about Vietnam (which went back to being a mere geopolitical blip after the war), but China is a highly authoritarian mixed economy, with heavy emphasis on the state part of the mix. Not a free market at all.
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September 13th, 2017 at 3:07:08 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Wizard
I wouldn't call either China or Vietnam today Communist countries. They both have a high degree of respect for the free market.


I would say they are neither communist nor free. China still is a very, very crony country. Will likely be forever. Vietnam strangely is cozying up to the USA afraid of China!

As to MFN, that is a misnomer. MFN means normal trade relations. Few countries do not have the status.
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September 13th, 2017 at 3:13:49 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Nareed

I don't know about Vietnam (which went back to being a mere geopolitical blip after the war),


I was surprised that Vietnam's population is 90 million.
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September 13th, 2017 at 3:26:58 PM permalink
Evenbob
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I might watch. It's narrated by Peter Coyote, who
is my fave Burns narrator. He gives an authenticity
that's terrific.
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September 13th, 2017 at 3:36:40 PM permalink
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Several years back I had several months of seeing an occupational therapist. He had a student from China training with him. I bluntly asked her many questions about freedom in her country. She was very defensive against accusations about repression. It would ultimately end up in some response claiming China has order and you have Detroit or similar point. There was always a counterpoint, where she found some positive vs some negative to point to in the US.


I've been to China five times so can understand why she was defensive. It is hard to explain but they are very defensive about outsiders criticizing the country, especially sensitive topics like human rights. That this student even had a comeback was a little surprising. Normally, in my experience, they will squak some of the socialist line and then put you on their persona non grata list.
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September 13th, 2017 at 3:37:58 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
I might watch. It's narrated by Peter Coyote, who
is my fave Burns narrator. He gives an authenticity
that's terrific.


Glad so many of us are interested. We should discuss it after each episode. I'll be out of town for the first one but will record it.
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September 13th, 2017 at 3:39:14 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Glad so many of us are interested. We should discuss it after each episode. I'll be out of town for the first one but will record it.


It's 18 hours long, on PBS no less, so
no commercials.
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September 13th, 2017 at 3:44:23 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
It's 18 hours long, on PBS no less, so
no commercials.


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September 13th, 2017 at 4:19:19 PM permalink
Mosca
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Just read Chickenhawk and skip the documentary.
September 13th, 2017 at 4:27:58 PM permalink
Evenbob
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I doubt if I'll see the whole thing. I was 16 in
1965 and from then on it was on the nightly
news till the early 70's. We got sick of it, we
didn't have any idea what was going on and
it bored us to death. As I imagine 18 hours
of reliving it will do.
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