Democratic Nominee in 2020

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1 vote (4.54%)
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1 vote (4.54%)
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September 2nd, 2020 at 1:39:59 PM permalink
ams288
Member since: Apr 21, 2016
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Quote: Evenbob
My best guess is if Biden
is ahead by 5 points, Trump
is the one who's really
ahead by 15 to 20 points.
Especially in minority polls.
They admittedly lie to pollsters
because if there's even a hint
you support Trump you get
bricks thrown at your house.
You aren't about to tell some
stranger on the phone the truth.


Too bad EB never puts his money where his mouth is. I think he could get some good odds on Donny being ahead by “15 to 20 points.”
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
September 2nd, 2020 at 2:52:35 PM permalink
Evenbob
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Mission146

But, 15 points? I'd offer a bet,.


Why, there's no way to prove it.
We still don't know the actual
real numbers of how much Trump
was ahead a week before the
election. But everybody is aware
the polls cannot be trusted
as was shown in the quote
from big investment firms in
NYC. They're gearing up for
a Trump win because they know
the polls are not trustworthy.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 2nd, 2020 at 3:35:56 PM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: Evenbob
Why, there's no way to prove it.
We still don't know the actual
real numbers of how much Trump
was ahead a week before the
election. But everybody is aware
the polls cannot be trusted
as was shown in the quote
from big investment firms in
NYC. They're gearing up for
a Trump win because they know
the polls are not trustworthy.


Prove what? Prove that Trump will almost absolutely not win by 15 points short of some unforeseen and relatively unlikely event? It'll be proven in November.
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman
September 2nd, 2020 at 4:18:41 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Mission146
Prove what?


What the real poll numbers are. You
can only guess because there is no
reliable way to know.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 2nd, 2020 at 4:36:12 PM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: Evenbob
What the real poll numbers are. You
can only guess because there is no
reliable way to know.


A 20+ point swing is a heck of an aggressive guess!
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman
September 2nd, 2020 at 4:53:10 PM permalink
ams288
Member since: Apr 21, 2016
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Posts: 12556
Quote: Mission146
A 20+ point swing is a heck of an aggressive guess!


He’s just going to claim “fraud” when the actual numbers don’t match his outlandish predictions.
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
September 2nd, 2020 at 5:36:52 PM permalink
Evenbob
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Mission146
A 20+ point swing is a heck of an aggressive guess!


Not when we know for a fact that
15% of Trump voters lie and say
they're voting for Biden. Just
like they lied in 16. Take 15'points
from Biden and give 15 to Trump. That
would make a 50/50 race a 65/35
race in Trump's favor. That's what
happened in 2016 and probably
worse now because we have TDS
people to deal with. Real crazies
who go postal on Trump supporters.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 2nd, 2020 at 6:13:20 PM permalink
ams288
Member since: Apr 21, 2016
Threads: 29
Posts: 12556
Quote: Evenbob
Not when we know for a fact that
15% of Trump voters lie and say
they're voting for Biden. Just
like they lied in 16. Take 15'points
from Biden and give 15 to Trump. That
would make a 50/50 race a 65/35
race in Trump's favor. That's what
happened in 2016 and probably
worse now because we have TDS
people to deal with. Real crazies
who go postal on Trump supporters.


Is EB under the impression that Donny won 65/35 in 2016?

And they said Biden is losing his mind!
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
September 2nd, 2020 at 6:57:18 PM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: Evenbob
Not when we know for a fact that
15% of Trump voters lie and say
they're voting for Biden. Just
like they lied in 16. Take 15'points
from Biden and give 15 to Trump. That
would make a 50/50 race a 65/35
race in Trump's favor. That's what
happened in 2016 and probably
worse now because we have TDS
people to deal with. Real crazies
who go postal on Trump supporters.


But, that didn’t happen in 2016. Clinton would have to have been polling in the low 60’s to Trump in the low 30’s for that to have been what happened.
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman
September 2nd, 2020 at 7:31:38 PM permalink
Pacomartin
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: ams288
Yeah, they’re gonna tie 269-269, right?


If Biden wins Hillary 232 EC votes, plua PA20 and MI 16 that would be 268. He would have to win Maine's 2nd congressional district.

Of course Trump would have won 28 states.

If no general election candidate receives a majority of the electoral votes—270—the Constitution requires that the House of Representatives will elect the president.
And if that anti-democratic process isn’t bad enough, consider this perverse clause in the Constitution: Each state would receive one vote regardless of population. California, with nearly 40 million citizens, gets one vote. Wyoming, with fewer than 600,000, gets one vote. Go figure.

Each House delegation would caucus and cast that state’s vote. How would that work out this fall? Thirty-two state delegations are controlled by Republicans, 15 by Democrats, three evenly split. The District of Columbia and the territories cannot vote.



The chances of that outcome not generating massive protests are about equal to this guy taking the toilet tissue offered to him by Robin. In particular if some of the states that voted for Biden end up voting for Trump because of the Republican control of the House delegation.