Andrew Yang seems pretty awesome

Quote: rxwine

Heh, the guy says it's to free up employees for more customer service and the lady says when they installed automated cashier at the airport people lost their jobs.

Duffman may not believe humans will be replaced, but I'm pretty sure he said something about it's not the business of a business to supply jobs, but to make money. These cut costs and thereby make money, most likely. Or maybe that was stockholders he was talking about, but same idea really.

Correct, businesses are there to make money, not give jobs. What is so hard to understand there?

Jobs come and go. Remember years ago people were employed to put price tags on items? Now they get scanned. Guess what? The average store has grown in size by many times and employs more people. They just do different jobs. Or they do some other job at some other place.

Don't sit around waiting for robots to do everything while you collect your UBI, that day is not coming.

Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto, for doing the jobs nobody wants to.

Quote: AZDuffman

Correct, businesses are there to make money, not give jobs. What is so hard to understand there?

Jobs come and go. Remember years ago people were employed to put price tags on items? Now they get scanned. Guess what? The average store has grown in size by many times and employs more people. They just do different jobs. Or they do some other job at some other place.

Don't sit around waiting for robots to do everything while you collect your UBI, that day is not coming.

Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto, for doing the jobs nobody wants to.

Your logic is as flawed as someone thinking lots of horses will always be needed for human transportation and labor uses as before.

Quote: rxwine

Your logic is as flawed as someone thinking lots of horses will always be needed for human transportation and labor uses as before.

We are not talking about horses, we are talking about human labor. But since you brought it up, the arrival of the car spelled the end for many jobs. People who took care of the horses would be laid off. But they found jobs taking care of the cars.

There are only so many jobs robots can do. Others they can do, but not do well. To say that humans will have no jobs to do because robots will do it all is sci-fi.

Quote: AZDuffman

We are not talking about horses, we are talking about human labor. But since you brought it up, the arrival of the car spelled the end for many jobs. People who took care of the horses would be laid off. But they found jobs taking care of the cars.

There are only so many jobs robots can do. Others they can do, but not do well. To say that humans will have no jobs to do because robots will do it all is sci-fi.

What you're not seeing is machines are becoming smarter and capable of more and more, and humans are not. Just like horses.

Quote: rxwine

What you're not seeing is machines are becoming smarter and capable of more and more, and humans are not. Just like horses.

What you are not seeing is machines cannot reason and use fuzzy logic as humans do. You are also not seeing that in many cases the amount of custom programming to get a machine to do the job simply is too time consuming and costly.

Will machines do more jobs, of course, same as they have since the industrial revolution started. But study some history, since the beginning people have worried machines and later robots would displace humans. Somehow there are more people in the labor force today than ever. History shows new jobs are made as old displaced.

Quote: Evenbob

I love seeing stuff like this. All those liberal slugs who clamor for $15/hr to do menial jobs will get what's coming to them—a pink slip! 😂😂

Quote: AZDuffman

What you are not seeing is machines cannot reason and use fuzzy logic as humans do. You are also not seeing that in many cases the amount of custom programming to get a machine to do the job simply is too time consuming and costly.

Will machines do more jobs, of course, same as they have since the industrial revolution started. But study some history, since the beginning people have worried machines and later robots would displace humans. Somehow there are more people in the labor force today than ever. History shows new jobs are made as old displaced.

AZ, I like your posts and you contribute so much. However, I'm afraid you have your head in the sand on this one. This technical revolution will be so far above and beyond the industrial revolution. Granted there will be new jobs created but only a small fraction of the number. The other thing you are not taking into consideration is that the types of jobs that will be created are not something that anyone working on the floor of Walmart will be able to be retrained for.

It seems like we can either try to stop technology and try to keep things the way they are and not let machines do the driving or working we used to do or we can prepare for this growth in technology and try to help human beings to be human and support them in the things no robot can do - live a human live and care for each other.

Quote: FrGamble

AZ, I like your posts and you contribute so much. However, I'm afraid you have your head in the sand on this one. This technical revolution will be so far above and beyond the industrial revolution. Granted there will be new jobs created but only a small fraction of the number. The other thing you are not taking into consideration is that the types of jobs that will be created are not something that anyone working on the floor of Walmart will be able to be retrained for.

It seems like we can either try to stop technology and try to keep things the way they are and not let machines do the driving or working we used to do or we can prepare for this growth in technology and try to help human beings to be human and support them in the things no robot can do - live a human live and care for each other.

OK, lets try it another way. I am not sure if you are old enough to remember back to the 1970s or not. Back then we were told "computers will do everything in the future!" Some people were scared to death about it. Yes, computers did displace. There used to be a"typing pool" at any major company, where usually women broke into getting hired. That is no more. But now there are many times the customer support jobs as there were then, the new way to break in. From this low end to coders and designers, computers created tens of millions of jobs.

People will adapt, they always do. The jobs that will come are as unimaginable as saying you are a network engineer was in 1970, people would then say, "Network Engineer? Never heard of that railroad. They out west?"

Quote: AZDuffman

OK, lets try it another way. I am not sure if you are old enough to remember back to the 1970s or not. Back then we were told "computers will do everything in the future!" Some people were scared to death about it. Yes, computers did displace. There used to be a"typing pool" at any major company, where usually women broke into getting hired. That is no more. But now there are many times the customer support jobs as there were then, the new way to break in. From this low end to coders and designers, computers created tens of millions of jobs.

People will adapt, they always do. The jobs that will come are as unimaginable as saying you are a network engineer was in 1970, people would then say, "Network Engineer? Never heard of that railroad. They out west?"

The difference is technology increases exponentially, look st how different 1919 is from 2019.
Now imagine 2119.

Soon many technologically advanced will not he made by humans, but AI. The more advanced technology there is, the faster technology will advance.

Quote: Gandler

The difference is technology increases exponentially, look st how different 1919 is from 2019.
Now imagine 2119.

Soon many technologically advanced will not he made by humans, but AI. The more advanced technology there is, the faster technology will advance.

Which just means the faster the newer jobs will come. The internet really took near 10 years to really make structural difference. Next thing taking 5 is a good thing.