The Coronavirus thread

Quote: DRich

I know many people that aren't going to bother getting it. To each their own. As long as everybody that wants to get it can.

I figure my not getting it frees it up for someone else. This whole china virus thing from beginning to end has so many life lessons about human behavior yet I doubt 10% of the people will notice much less learn from it.

Quote: AZDuffman

I figure my not getting it frees it up for someone else. This whole china virus thing from beginning to end has so many life lessons about human behavior yet I doubt 10% of the people will notice much less learn from it.

If you had been at ground zero of such a virus in Pennsylvania, why would you act any different? You'd let the virus spread and kill millions.

I sometimes wonder if my age group is the last to have a favorably view of vaccination generally. We were vaccinated plenty as kids, but only for serious stuff like smallpox and polio you clearly didn't want to mess around with. After my age group, they started vaccinating kids for everything they could dream up, including what we called 'childhood diseases' like measles.

IIRC it's now something like 40 shots kids get, if you include second shots and you get them all, that's got to get you wondering about it all. So we got just a tiny few compared to this.

Most importantly, anti-vaccine groups and attitudes have sprung up, there was none of that in my day. Honestly in my age group you know nothing about all this without making an effort to read about it. Now, to be sure, our age group is told we are entering a phase where the immune system is aging, so that is a factor. But I have not gotten the flu shot ever, but it's probably the only piece of the new 'immunize for everything' new thinking I have had any reason to be in contact with, so to speak. The shingles shot I was quite ready to get, in fact I got the 'old' one and wound up on a waiting list for the new one.* But what I'm getting at is, if it is an indisputably serious disease to avoid, does my age group, late 60s, generally have a better attitude towards it?

*this one can really clobber you, I'm hearing from more than one source. I wouldn't blame anybody for skipping it and now I may

Quote: rxwine

If you had been at ground zero of such a virus in Pennsylvania, why would you act any different? You'd let the virus spread and kill millions.

Florida alone is showing how we did not need the masks and lockdowns. Sturgis shows how we did not need them. It is about control. The people who support the masks are generally the type to fall into like and just believe because the government or "the scientists" told them something. The anti-maskers listen to all of it and rightly say, "are you kidding?"

I will keep saying it. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

Quote: odiousgambit

I sometimes wonder if my age group is the last to have a favorably view of vaccination generally. We were vaccinated plenty as kids, but only for serious stuff like smallpox and polio you clearly didn't want to mess around with. After my age group, they started vaccinating kids for everything they could dream up, including what we called 'childhood diseases' like measles.

IIRC it's now something like 40 shots kids get, if you include second shots and you get them all, that's got to get you wondering about it all. So we got just a tiny few compared to this.

Most importantly, anti-vaccine groups and attitudes have sprung up, there was none of that in my day. Honestly in my age group you know nothing about all this without making an effort to read about it. Now, to be sure, our age group is told we are entering a phase where the immune system is aging, so that is a factor. But I have not gotten the flu shot ever, but it's probably the only piece of the new 'immunize for everything' new thinking I have had any reason to be in contact with, so to speak. The shingles shot I was quite ready to get, in fact I got the 'old' one and wound up on a waiting list for the new one.* But what I'm getting at is, if it is an indisputably serious disease to avoid, does my age group, late 60s, generally have a better attitude towards it?

*this one can really clobber you, I'm hearing from more than one source. I wouldn't blame anybody for skipping it and now I may

There was plenty of opposition to smallpox vaccination.

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s The town of Leicester was a particular hotbed of anti vaccine activity and the site of many anti-vaccine rallies. The local paper described the details of a rally: “An escort was formed, preceded by a banner, to escort a young mother and two men, all of whom had resolved to give themselves up to the police and undergo imprisonment in preference to having their children vaccinated…The three were attended by a numerous crowd…three hearty cheers were given for them, which were renewed with increased vigor as they entered the doors of the police cells.”[5] The Leicester Demonstration March of 1885 was one of the most notorious anti-vaccination demonstrations. There, 80,000-100,000 anti-vaccinators led an elaborate march, complete with banners, a child’s coffin, and an effigy of Jenner.[3]

Don’t you wish people died on their feet so we could still have smallpox, Duffman?

Quote: rxwine

Don’t you wish people died on their feet so we could still have smallpox, Duffman?

Did smallpox have a 99.5% survival rate like the china virus does?

Quote: AZDuffman

Did smallpox have a 99.5% survival rate like the china virus does?

Millions dying isn’t enough death for you?

Quote: rxwine

Millions dying isn’t enough death for you?

Millions of people die every year every year. That's life.

If we were not giving a 20% bonus to put china virus on the death cert the rate would plummet.

Quote: AZDuffman

Millions of people die every year every year. That's life.

If we were not giving a 20% bonus to put china virus on the death cert the rate would plummet.

Maybe one day we’ll find out how many trump supporters were lost between February to November following his bad examples talking up useless malaria pills and starting mini pandemics in the White House walking around maskless. Your behavior and others like you helped lose the election for Trump.

Quote: rxwine

There was plenty of opposition to smallpox vaccination.

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s The town of Leicester was a particular hotbed of anti vaccine activity and the site of many anti-vaccine rallies. The local paper described the details of a rally: “An escort was formed, preceded by a banner, to escort a young mother and two men, all of whom had resolved to give themselves up to the police and undergo imprisonment in preference to having their children vaccinated…The three were attended by a numerous crowd…three hearty cheers were given for them, which were renewed with increased vigor as they entered the doors of the police cells.”[5] The Leicester Demonstration March of 1885 was one of the most notorious anti-vaccination demonstrations. There, 80,000-100,000 anti-vaccinators led an elaborate march, complete with banners, a child’s coffin, and an effigy of Jenner.[3]

your example is from England in 1885? OK, interesting, and no doubt a lesson about the compulsory inclinations of do-gooders. But my question was whether my age group is more willing to get vaccinated than younger age groups, and not just because our immune systems are about to decline. I haven't been saying 'my generation' , wanting to narrow the focus.