Status during the virus

Quote: Gandler

Just curious. You seem to want to know a lot about others, but rarely talk about what you do.

Bob used to mention that he made good money APing Roulette. He was the subject of scorn and ridicule and stopped posting such. He has specifically mentioned that he has been prevented from making money because the casinos are closed.

Quote: petroglyph

So in your opinion, it is the duty of every citizen to serve the collective? Yet you rage against the communists?

Either way, the people only have one purpose in your mind, not to be happy and serve themselves, but to serve the government. What is a free man to you, or is "freedom" what we strive for? Think about it man.

It is every human's job to be decent to one another, take care of our personal responsibility's, and be happy.

It is the governments job to make sure it extracts enough surplus out of it's citizens to continue it's rule. It doesn't matter which ism it is.

I never said it is every citizens duty to serve the collective (that is the role of government).

I was pretty clear.

APs do not produce a good or service. They produce income for themselves. It can even be argued that they damage the casino experience for others through reduced offers or harsher terms (I don't care one way or the other on that argument).

I also said (several times now) I support APs. And, I also acknowledge that it is not an easy life. But, I still do not classify it as "work" or "employment".
As other have said, self-employment may be appropriate if they file as a self-employed person. If not, even self-employment is a stretch that may as well go to panhandlers and people who collect cans to recycle for money.

Again this is going down a rabbit hole of terms and definitions. Bottom line is, I respect APs (as long as they stay within the law). But, I don't consider it employment, if you want to label it as such, that is your right.

Quote: SOOPOO

Bob used to mention that he made good money APing Roulette. He was the subject of scorn and ridicule and stopped posting such. He has specifically mentioned that he has been prevented from making money because the casinos are closed.

Oh was he the guy who had the roulette betting system on WOV that refused to share, but insisted it made constant money?

If so I mean people are going to distrust that you have the "Ultimate Roulette System" (many similar posts for Bac and such), but refuse to share "unless you buy my ebook" or something.......

I guess I would argue begging is a job. It's what charities all over do.

So, instead of yelling "get a job" at them, yell, "get a different job."

Quote: AZDuffman

Your statements seem to indicate you are against them. Or do you tell people you like they contribute nothing to society?

Sure would. I don’t malign anyone for the choices they make in life, as long as they aren’t harming others.

There are many AP’s whom I like, but that doesn’t change the fact their profession doesn’t contribute much of anything to society, and I don’t look down upon them because of that.

That is the beauty of this country, you are free to be as useful or as useless as you please.

I do take pride in the line of work I am in, but if the correct opportunity and circumstances came up to double my income by something useless like AP, I’d do it and not feel bad about it.

Quote: SOOPOO

Bob used to mention that he made good money APing Roulette. He was the subject of scorn and ridicule and stopped posting such. He has specifically mentioned that he has been prevented from making money because the casinos are closed.

I tend to take posters at their word, but have always been puzzled overcoming a 5.26% hose edge at roulette much less doing it fairly frequently.

Quote: SOOPOO

My point is that other than directly benefiting the individual AP, there is close to no benefit to society in their actions.
.

You can say the same about
patent lawyers, telemarketers,
tenured professors, debt collectors,
corporate attorneys, vice presidents
in any company, the list is really
endless. Time share salesman.
Why pick on AP's. You're just
jealous because you aren't one.

Quote: Evenbob

You can say the same about
patent lawyers, telemarketers,
tenured professors, debt collectors,
corporate attorneys, vice presidents
in any company, the list is really
endless. Time share salesman.
Why pick on AP's. You're just
jealous because you aren't one.

The reason I'm not one is because I was able to make far more at my regular job than I could at being an AP. I do find the AP concept fascinating. Since retiring I actually have done some minor AP stuff, and even though I made a fraction of what I could have made by working, it was fun. I wasn't picking on APs. I have absolutely no problem with them doing what they do. Just stating the fact that they provide no service to anyone, nor any benefit to anyone, other than themselves. All the examples you mention are bad examples, because they do provide a service to someone. You may thionk the time share salesman provides no service, but I'll bet you the time share buyer disagrees. You may think the debt collector provides no service, but as someone who needed to use them throughout my career, you are wrong. Tenured professors give lectures/ do research, a service. You may think it is unnecessary, or useless, but the person hiring them does not agree.

Perhaps your weakest post ever, actually.

Quote: SOOPOO

The reason I'm not one is because I was able to make far more at my regular job than I could at being an AP.

If you think a hospital doctor can
make more than a good AP, you're
sadly misinformed.

Quote:

Just stating the fact that they provide no service to anyone, nor any benefit to anyone,

So you think when I tip the
valet driver, or the waitress,
or the dealer, or when I
support a charity or buy
from a local mom and pop
store with my evil AP money,
I'm not benefiting anybody
but myself? Really? When
I get a haircut at the place
I've been getting one for 40
years, and tip the barber, or
gas at the locally owned
station or any of myriad
ways I spend AP money, you
think they would spit on it
and not accept it because
of where I got it?

As far as the other professions
I mentioned, they are all
considered useless by most
people. Google 'professions
that do not benefit society;
and wise yourself up. Google
is your friend. By your reasoning
even crooks benefit society. They
keep cops and prison guards
employed, they keep insurance
companies in business, and gun
makers churning out self defense
weapons. But those wascally AP's,
they're completely worthless. lol

"What is the appropriate behavior for a man or a woman in the midst of this world, where each person is clinging to his piece of debris? What is the proper salutation between people as they pass each other in this flood?"

Leonard Cohen