Ukraine conflict

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/10/06/690503/Russia-Europe-Germany-gas-United-States-Nord-Stream

"By Pepe Escobar

The twists and turns of the Nord Stream 2 (NS2) saga have yielded yet another stunning game-changer.

It started with Gazprom revealing that the Line B string of NS2 is intact; not only it escaped Pipeline Terror but may “potentially” be used to pump gas to Germany.

That confirms once again that NS2 is an engineering marvel. In fact the whole system: the pipes are so strong they were not broken, but merely punctured. "

Quote: petroglyph

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/10/06/690503/Russia-Europe-Germany-gas-United-States-Nord-Stream

"By Pepe Escobar

The twists and turns of the Nord Stream 2 (NS2) saga have yielded yet another stunning game-changer.

It started with Gazprom revealing that the Line B string of NS2 is intact; not only it escaped Pipeline Terror but may “potentially” be used to pump gas to Germany.

That confirms once again that NS2 is an engineering marvel. In fact the whole system: the pipes are so strong they were not broken, but merely punctured. "

I looked up Pepe Escobar
He might as well work for Russia
The running theme on everything he writes on this subject is
Yankee' imperialism, NATO excesses, Russian victimization

Go something from somebody a little less biased then Pepe who blames the west for EVERYTHING

Quote: kenarman

Should those areas of Ukraine that want to join Russia be allowed to separate,

Does Russia allow its citizens to vote to take territory from Russia and make it another country? If not, I don't think it should be required that Ukraine have to do so.

Quote: rxwine

Does Russia allow its citizens to vote to take territory from Russia and make it another country? If not, I don't think it should be required that Ukraine have to do so.

So because Russia is not a democracy with freedom of choice then Ukrainians shouldn't be allowed to have freedom of choice. How about the US?

Quote: kenarman

So because Russia is not a democracy with freedom of choice then Ukrainians shouldn't be allowed to have freedom of choice. How about the US?

A Russian that moved to Canada?

Everybody should have freedom
Putin disagrees
It's as simple as that

Quote: kenarman

So because Russia is not a democracy with freedom of choice then Ukrainians shouldn't be allowed to have freedom of choice. How about the US?

Which country has been allowing citizens to form another country lately with that country's land?

Quote: rxwine

Which country has been allowing citizens to form another country lately with that country's land?

Canada has allowed several referendums in Quebec on separation. The last one failed by a tiny margin. "93.52% of the 5,087,009 registered Quebecers voted in the referendum, a higher turnout than any provincial or federal election in Canada's history. The proposal of June 12, 1995 was rejected by voters, with 50.58% voting "No" and 49.42% voting "Yes". The margin was significantly smaller than the 1980 referendum." Canada had agreed to let them separate if the majority had voted to separate.

The majority of the Caribbean countries voted to become independent in the last 100 years. No wars were fought to stop them.

The US has always had a tough position to defend when they had a revolution to leave English control and another revolution to keep the South from leaving the relatively new cobbled together country. The US has still not recognized the right of Cuba to leave US control. How is that different than Putin?

Depends if you think the USA invaded trying to turn another country into an American territory. Not as far a I know. Looks like Putin is trying to turn Ukraine into Russian territory.

You have to go back a couiple hundred years to our origins. We didn't keep part of Germany like Russia. We let the Japanese be Japan again. We kept our agreement about the Panama canal.

Quote: kenarman

Canada has allowed several referendums in Quebec on separation. The last one failed by a tiny margin. "93.52% of the 5,087,009 registered Quebecers voted in the referendum, a higher turnout than any provincial or federal election in Canada's history. The proposal of June 12, 1995 was rejected by voters, with 50.58% voting "No" and 49.42% voting "Yes". The margin was significantly smaller than the 1980 referendum." Canada had agreed to let them separate if the majority had voted to separate.

The majority of the Caribbean countries voted to become independent in the last 100 years. No wars were fought to stop them.

The US has always had a tough position to defend when they had a revolution to leave English control and another revolution to keep the South from leaving the relatively new cobbled together country. The US has still not recognized the right of Cuba to leave US control. How is that different than Putin?

Well considering the U.S. has not invaded Cuba to annex it, its completely different. In fact the U.S. went to war to help liberate Cuba in the 1800s (and other Spanish colonies) from colonial control, and the only thing the U.S. got in return was a naval base in Guantanamo Bay (which they technically only have exclusive lease rights to, even if it is still like two dollars a year since Castro refused to negotiate a modern lease after taking power).