Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade?

I'm sort of spoofing with ya, AZD: I don't care if you believe, just don't get into a discussion with me about religion and expect me not to take the gloves off.

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-epa-ruling-2e893673819a1b6c6aa272a5e814f0b0

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf

This is a huge irony that the Supreme Court limited the EPA's ability to limit pollution while claiming to be pro-life. This will kill more people than any other issue. 4.2 million people die globally from air pollution every year. And, a very high number of these are in the U.S.

Quote: Gandler

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-epa-ruling-2e893673819a1b6c6aa272a5e814f0b0

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf

This is a huge irony that the Supreme Court limited the EPA's ability to limit pollution while claiming to be pro-life. This will kill more people than any other issue. 4.2 million people die globally from air pollution every year. And, a very high number of these are in the U.S.

It is not. It’s the same thing. They didn’t claim to be pro-life….they decided states can decide the abortion issue for themselves. States can legislate this issue for themselves as well. I’m both cases it’s taking the power from federal agencies and putting the power in local governments hands.

The EPA is rather disingenuous about this. They would rather have more air pollution and more people killed, so long as it’s not in their backyard (iow kill more indian and Chinese people.) No air pollution is obviously better but living in the real world is to acknowledge that there would be less total world air pollution and better for the US economy if companies aren’t effectively forced to move the work to India and China.

Quote: Gandler

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-epa-ruling-2e893673819a1b6c6aa272a5e814f0b0

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf

This is a huge irony that the Supreme Court limited the EPA's ability to limit pollution while claiming to be pro-life. This will kill more people than any other issue. 4.2 million people die globally from air pollution every year. And, a very high number of these are in the U.S.

They did not strip them of all their power but they did basically say that these organizations should take direction from laws instead of making up their own policies. Reigning in these bureaucrats is a good thing and we can still do better on issues.

Someone just has to tell Congress it needs to work instead of passing off responsibilities to agencies and the Executive branch. Those folks need to be in session a lot more and figure out how to make actual compromises.

I see this court as reigning in excessive overreaching by agencies and even Courts. I am okay with the decision on “Remain in Mexico” even though I think we are screwing up royally by not controlling immigration. Finding something wrong with a rule or decision is not the same as being “against”…Courts exist to call balls and strikes, not score runs.

Quote: RonC

They did not strip them of all their power but they did basically say that these organizations should take direction from laws instead of making up their own policies. Reigning in these bureaucrats is a good thing and we can still do better on issues.

Someone just has to tell Congress it needs to work instead of passing off responsibilities to agencies and the Executive branch. Those folks need to be in session a lot more and figure out how to make actual compromises.

I see this court as reigning in excessive overreaching by agencies and even Courts. I am okay with the decision on “Remain in Mexico” even though I think we are screwing up royally by not controlling immigration. Finding something wrong with a rule or decision is not the same as being “against”…Courts exist to call balls and strikes, not score runs.

Administrative Law exists because the legislature cannot be an expert on every thing (and it would totally bog the system). Can you imagine if the Congresshad to debate every EPA regulation line by line? Most would not even be able to pronounce half of the verbiage (I am not saying that as a slur, I would be in the same boat). Administrative Agencies exist to create regulations in their subject matter expertise. These are not supposed to be passed through a legislature. Congress (or state or local govs) create such agencies and basically empower them to design and enforce regulations for their area of interest.

If congress had to pass each EPA requirement 1 by 1, that is all they would be doing for the next 100 years (actually probably far longer), and that is just one of many of such agencies....

Quote: rquiredusername

It is not. It’s the same thing. They didn’t claim to be pro-life….they decided states can decide the abortion issue for themselves. States can legislate this issue for themselves as well. I’m both cases it’s taking the power from federal agencies and putting the power in local governments hands.

The EPA is rather disingenuous about this. They would rather have more air pollution and more people killed, so long as it’s not in their backyard (iow kill more indian and Chinese people.) No air pollution is obviously better but living in the real world is to acknowledge that there would be less total world air pollution and better for the US economy if companies aren’t effectively forced to move the work to India and China.

This makes zero sense, how is the EPA trying to kill people in foreign countries? The EPA is not encouraging China and India to build more emission plants, that is their choice. We can only control what our country does (especially since a certain President pulled out of the climate agreement).

But, yes it is true that China and India are even worse than the U.S. in pollution deaths (but not by as much as you may think, especially when scaled per capita)....

Quote: Gandler

Administrative Law exists because the legislature cannot be an expert on every thing (and it would totally bog the system). Can you imagine if the Congresshad to debate every EPA regulation line by line? Most would not even be able to pronounce half of the verbiage (I am not saying that as a slur, I would be in the same boat). Administrative Agencies exist to create regulations in their subject matter expertise. These are not supposed to be passed through a legislature. Congress (or state or local govs) create such agencies and basically empower them to design and enforce regulations for their area of interest.

If congress had to pass each EPA requirement 1 by 1, that is all they would be doing for the next 100 years (actually probably far longer), and that is just one of many of such agencies....

That is not my understanding of what the decision does.

The EPA had to link the it to a Congressional action that gave them the authority. It isn’t about them not being able to regulate; only that they have to regulate within the provisions the Congress gives them to do so. They cannot just do whatever they want.

Quote: RonC

That is not my understanding of what the decision does.

The EPA had to link the it to a Congressional action that gave them the authority. It isn’t about them not being able to regulate; only that they have to regulate within the provisions the Congress gives them to do so. They cannot just do whatever they want.

It's more like going to coal country and asking if they prefer mining coal at breakneck speed or helping out with a central policy of national environmental protection worked out by a collection of related specialists. Nah, we'd prefer mining. The tobacco industry certainly preferred its heyday.

Quote: Gandler

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-epa-ruling-2e893673819a1b6c6aa272a5e814f0b0

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf

This is a huge irony that the Supreme Court limited the EPA's ability to limit pollution while claiming to be pro-life. This will kill more people than any other issue. 4.2 million people die globally from air pollution every year. And, a very high number of these are in the U.S.

Who cares. Just clumps of cells.

Quote: AZDuffman

Who cares. Just clumps of cells.

You may still be a clump of cells. But you missed the point of that reference.