The Biden Presidency 2023

September 10th, 2023 at 9:08:56 AM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: rxwine
Speaking of "interesting" innovations, if we can't get age limits maybe we can get shorter terms for the aged. If you're over 75 as a senator, you have to run for office every 2 years. I"m not sure what to do about presidents; it's too much trouble to run presidential elections every two years.

Seems like about 98% of the seniors in congress start opposing age limits the older they get.


I think a good solution would be the usual term limits, but a maximum of twenty years (lifetime) in a Federal-level elected position. I suppose someone could run for such a position, for the first time, late in life, but this sort of stipulation almost creates a de facto age limit. You could also grandfather in anyone to whom this would already apply to allow them to run for one more re-election bid.
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September 10th, 2023 at 9:55:58 AM permalink
JimRockford
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Quote: odiousgambit
Qualifying word 'certain' inserted here I see

Well I think it is true for 'certain' people that anyone who was in favor of leaving the statues in place was a White Supremacist. This is one reason the media ran with it ... ran with this claim you are repeating. I would guess that of the media in that press conference, literally 100% of them would say they believed that all wanting the statues to stay were exactly that. So to them, and I guess you, it made no sense to try to find any 'fine people' anywhere amongst the keep-statue crowd once that man killed the woman.

As for his relationship with radical right wingers, I agree he had a strange thing going there, one that finally bit him in the butt. He seems unable to criticize any group that likes him, having some sort of instinct about it, not one a normal politician would have.

There is no question, Trumpís statement was taken out of context. He repeatedly condemned white supremacists and neo-nazis and excluded them from his ďfine peopleĒ comment. You can read the whole thing in context here
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

But here is why I think it still backfires. He kept talking about these peaceful people protesting the statue removal.

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Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didnít put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

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Reporter: "Sir, I just didnít understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just donít understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Iím sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

The whole event was organized and run by white supremacists, National-Socialists, KKK and an assortment of other fascist groups. The statue was just an excuse for a show of strength. Note that it was called a rally not a protest. No decent person would associate themselves with this kook convention.Trump just made that up. He condemned the white supremacists but couldnít appear to be caving to the PC media. He had to show the white grievance wing of his supporters that he stood strong with them. So ďvery fine people on both sidesĒ is still absurd.
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September 10th, 2023 at 10:02:04 AM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Quote: rxwine
Speaking of "interesting" innovations, if we can't get age limits maybe we can get shorter terms for the aged. If you're over 75 as a senator, you have to run for office every 2 years. I"m not sure what to do about presidents; it's too much trouble to run presidential elections every two years.

Seems like about 98% of the seniors in congress start opposing age limits the older they get.


Maybe keep the terms the length they are, but term limits for elected office holders., say 30 years maximum for both Senators (that's 5 elected terms ) and Representatives (that's 15 elected terms) and no age limit (not a big fan of ageism).
September 10th, 2023 at 11:52:44 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: GenoDRPh
Maybe keep the terms the length they are, but term limits for elected office holders., say 30 years maximum for both Senators (that's 5 elected terms ) and Representatives (that's 15 elected terms) and no age limit (not a big fan of ageism).


One thing about ageism, itís hard to complain you wonít be a member of that group. So, I partially reject it. Just whatever you enact, you should be subject to it yourself. Not make it for people who couldnít ever be you also.

Term limits doesnít address a 6 year senate term thatís only a year or two in and someone who basically gets protected when other members of congress start saying let the voters decide. Bah, I say. I also donít have any sympathy for myself if I was Feinstein. Kick me out, when Iím losing it. You donít have to shoot me. Just kick me out.

I want everyone to be given a chance for ailments that go away.
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September 10th, 2023 at 12:00:43 PM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: rxwine
Let good people fighting for a bad cause fend for themselves.
you went right straight back to that

Quote: GenoDRPh
There are no fine people in the keep the statues crowd. The statues are of traitors to the nation.
well I think we have sussed out why you and so many people believe what you do about this matter ... as for me, see next

Quote: JimRockford
But here is why I think it still backfires. He kept talking about these peaceful people protesting the statue removal.
I agree

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The whole event was organized and run by white supremacists, National-Socialists, KKK and an assortment of other fascist groups.

It seems plausible that you are right, you make a good case and you seem informed.
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The statue was just an excuse for a show of strength. Note that it was called a rally not a protest. No decent person would associate themselves with this kook convention.Trump just made that up. He condemned the white supremacists but couldnít appear to be caving to the PC media.
exactly
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He had to show the white grievance wing of his supporters that he stood strong with them. So ďvery fine people on both sidesĒ is still absurd.
Nice rational and studied response, thank you

As for me seeming to defend keeping the statues, I know for a fact there are fine people who wanted to see them kept in place. But I feel that a community has the right to have the statues it wants. If they no longer want them, fine. I question the process that takes place that determines that, though.

As far as the Confederacy goes, it used to be respectable to remember and honor any ancestors/relatives who fought in it. As for now, Republicans need to recognize that is all over. It even raises eyebrows to take a view other than "it was the good guys against the bad guys". I think the best tack is to in fact point out these Confederates were all Democrats, and the anti-Civil Rights folks that followed them, all Democrats. It was the very essence of the Democratic Party, and it is still fair to point out that those exploiting Black people today are Democrats almost without exception.
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September 10th, 2023 at 12:02:25 PM permalink
rxwine
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Oh, and the other thing, these people have their pensions and their health care when theyíre gone from the position. At least the long term ears do. I donít feel sad for anyone but the voters. Itís not like theyíre going to be forced to work at Walmart and eat cat food.
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September 10th, 2023 at 12:15:01 PM permalink
rxwine
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Oh, good grief. Just because youíre the party of Lincoln doesnít give you any dang prestige through all future decades. You/re now the party of Trump until you prove otherwise way more than Lincoln.
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September 10th, 2023 at 12:37:37 PM permalink
JimRockford
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As I have said before, Republicans seem to be proudest of their party when they held the liberal position.

I should add that I am neither Democrat or Republican. I have a strong distaste for political parties.
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September 10th, 2023 at 1:59:52 PM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Mission146
Impeachment should exist that way we don't have a rotating monarchy. For example, if the President (year one) doesn't like something one of his cabinet members says, so pulls out a gun and shoots him, I don't want to wait a few years for that dude to be replaced.


I would say the more cabinet members he takes out would reduce any punishment.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
September 10th, 2023 at 2:01:42 PM permalink
DRich
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Quote: JimRockford

I should add that I am neither Democrat or Republican. I have a strong distaste for political parties.


I agree with that completely. When I become dictator you may be in contention for second in command as long as you promise no coup in the first year.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.