Future of Cable TV

April 23rd, 2017 at 10:15:03 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
Been without cable almost 5 years now, miss it less and less every month.


There are enough OTT streaming services that it seems logical that the smaller cable companies may just offer internet today. Despite the profit that can be made from offering television channels, you need a much bigger support staff to handle the complaints and install the equipment. It seems like it would be a lot simpler to run one cable into the house and connect it to a modem.

Let the customer decide if he wants Utube, Direct TV Now, Sling TV, Playstation Vue, Hulu, Netflix, etc.
April 25th, 2017 at 4:00:39 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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'Bloodbath' in Bristol: ESPN could cut 70 people

To have that many anchors making seven figures is insane in any climate, but to do so many cuts so fast, well the wolf may not be at the door, but he is walking down the street looking for the house number.

Down from 100MM to 88MM in 5 years. 126MM households in the USA currently give or take. 71% penetration at the moment, if the losses continue in 5 years that falls to about 60%. However, I would expect the fall to be more steep. In a decade they could fall to 50%. Then you have to wonder if the NFL for one wants their product on a network just 1 in 2 households might see?
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April 26th, 2017 at 11:08:40 AM permalink
terapined
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I saw the layoffs at ESPN
Yawn
Just a bunch of meaningless sports analysts
I never watch these guys anyway
Some of the analysis is absurd
Evaluating a draft right after the draft is meaningless analysis.
Nobody knows how well a team drafted till 5 years down the road.
PTI program is perfect, just 30 min daily review of the sports topics of the day. Hours and hours of analysis is meaningless.
ESPN just needs to concentrate on live sports, PTI short 30 min program and 30 for 30 films.
I have no problem cutting back on all the rest of the programming.
Right now watching tons on TNT because thats where the Nba playoffs are on TV.
Too me its about live sports.
Who ever broadcasts live sports gets my eyeballs
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May 15th, 2017 at 10:27:38 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: DOW JONES As Streaming Services Amp Up, Not all TV Channels Make the Cut

Cord-cutting is at record pace as viewers ditch pricey pay-TV subscriptions and seek online alternatives
By Shalini Ramachandran Updated May 14, 2017

The surge in cord-cutting has set off a race among media companies to be included in new “skinny” streaming bundles that are reshaping the American television landscape.

Cord-cutting reached a record pace in the first quarter as consumers continue to ditch pricey pay-TV subscriptions and seek more online alternatives. Over the past five years, nearly 8 million U.S. households have abandoned traditional pay TV or eschewed signing up...


The article reports that live streaming internet television has expanded from (1) Sling TV, (2) Play Station Vue by three more (3)ATT&T's Direct TV Now, (4)Hulu, (5) Youtube TV. They said that cord cutting or never signing up for cable has resulted in a loss of customers only partly made up by new streaming services.

Traditional cable channels like Turner's CNN, TNT, TBS, Cartoon Network which were mainstays are not always included (as in YouTube TV for example).

The conclusion was that basic cable TV must break it's channel list into three parts (A) re-transmission of broadcast networks (B) Sports, (C) Entertainment. In order to compete with so called skinny bundles of internet protocol television, customers should be able to order A,B, or C individually. While such a tripartite division has been discussed for decades, resistance is starting to crumble as streaming service basic packages are starting at $20-$40.
May 15th, 2017 at 2:12:34 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin

The conclusion was that basic cable TV must break it's channel list into three parts (A) re-transmission of broadcast networks (B) Sports, (C) Entertainment. In order to compete with so called skinny bundles of internet protocol television, customers should be able to order A,B, or C individually. While such a tripartite division has been discussed for decades, resistance is starting to crumble as streaming service basic packages are starting at $20-$40.


Sensible way to split them up. The sports market is perhaps 1/3 of the total market. As I have been saying here forever now, when sports can be split off the whole sports channel and sports leagues themselves will see their model crack and crumble.
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May 15th, 2017 at 3:07:34 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
Sensible way to split them up. The sports market is perhaps 1/3 of the total market. As I have been saying here forever now, when sports can be split off the whole sports channel and sports leagues themselves will see their model crack and crumble.


My cable company is billing us by the following line items
$99.99 Signature Cable/Phone/Internet
$9.03 Broadcast TV Surcharge
$7.82 Sports Programming Surcharge
$7.10 Entertainment Networks Surcharge
$22.00 Equipment Rental
$18.12 Other taxes and fees (mostly associated with phone)

The first line is:
If you purchase Phone & Internet with no TV it would be $49.99 (guaranteed for first 12 Months)
If you purchase Phone & Internet with broadcast TV only it would be $74.99 (guaranteed for first 12 Months) + unknwon surcharges

Although contractually they are not allowed to put ESPN as a higher tier, it looks like they are preparing for the day when they can break them out.

Otherwise, they are continually at a disadvantage when competing with streaming services which can offer only basic entertainment channels for $25/month. Even if they jack up internet only price, they will still lose out.
May 18th, 2017 at 7:01:31 PM permalink
Dalex64
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You might consider sharing a google doc or something similar to offer more readable info with less work.
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May 18th, 2017 at 7:18:34 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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The Sling TV "blue " option for $25 is the cheapest option with reasonable all around entertainment (minimal sports)
Youtube is the almost complete opposite, for $35 it eschews the basic cable options in most other packages.

Sling TV Channel Hulu YouTube TV DirecTV Now PlayStation Vue
Blue, Orange TBS Yes No Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange TNT Yes No Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange CNN Yes No Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange Cartoon Network/Adult Swim Yes No Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange Food Network Yes No Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange HGTV Yes No Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange Travel Channel Yes No Just Right Access
Blue, Orange A&E Yes No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange Lifetime Yes No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange History Yes No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange AMC No Coming soon Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange IFC No Coming soon Just Right Core
Blue, Orange BBC America No Coming soon Live a Little Access
Blue, Orange Local Now Weather No Coming soon No No
Blue, Orange Comedy Central No No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange Galavision No No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange Bloomberg TV No No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange AXS TV No No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange Viceland Yes No Live a Little No
Blue, Orange El Rey Network No No Gotta Have It No
Blue, Orange Flama No No No No
Blue, Orange Cheddar No No No No
Blue, Orange Maker No No No No
Blue, Orange Newsy No No No No
Blue, Orange Polaris No No No Elite
Blue Bravo Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Blue Fox Yes Yes Yes Yes
Blue Fox Sports 1 Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Blue Fox Sports 2 Yes Yes Go Big Access
Blue FX Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Blue FXX Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Blue Nat Geo Wild Yes Yes Go Big Elite
Blue National Geographic Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Blue NBC Yes Yes Yes Yes
Blue NBC Sports Network Yes Yes Just Right Access
Blue NFL Network No No No Core
Blue NHL Network No No Go Big No
Blue Nick Jr. No No Live a Little No
Blue Syfy Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Blue USA Network Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Orange Disney Channel Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Orange Freeform Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Orange ESPN Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Orange ESPN 2 Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Orange ESPN 3 No Coming soon No No
Blue (Orange Broadcast extra) Univision No No Live a Little No
Blue (Orange Broadcast Extra) Univision Mas No No Just Right No
Blue (Orange comedy extra) truTV Yes No Live a Little Access
Blue (Orange lifestyle extra) BET No No Live a Little No
Comedy extra CMT No No Live a Little No
Comedy extra GSN No No Just Right No
Comedy extra LOGO No No Go Big No
Comedy extra MTV No No Live a Little No
Comedy extra MTV2 No No Live a Little No
Comedy extra Spike No No Live a Little No
Comedy extra TV Land No No Live a Little No
Hollywood extra EPIX No No No No
Hollywood extra EPIX Drive-in No No No No
Hollywood extra EPIX Hits No No No PREMIUM, Elite
Hollywood extra EPIX2 No No No No
Hollywood extra HDNet Movies No No No No
Hollywood extra Sundance TV No Coming soon Go Big Core
Hollywood extra TCM Yes No Live a Little Core
Kids extra Baby TV No No No No
Kids extra Boomerang Yes No Gotta Have It Elite
Kids extra Duck TV No No No No
Kids Extra Blue Nicktoons No No Just Right No
Kids extra Blue Teen Knick No No Live a Little No
Kids extra Orange Disney Junior Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Kids extra Orange Disney XD Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Lifestyle extra Cooking Channel No No Just Right Elite
Lifestyle extra DIY No No Go Big Access
Lifestyle extra FYI Yes No Go Big No
Lifestyle extra Hallmark No No Live a Little No
LIfestyle extra Hallmark Movies & Mysteries No No Live a Little No
Lifestyle extra Lifetime Movie Network Yes No Go Big No
Lifestyle extra VH1 No No Live a Little No
Lifestyle extra Vibrant TV No No No No
Lifestyle extra WE tv No Coming soon Live a Little Access
Lifestyle extra Blue E! Yes Yes Live a Little Access
Lifestyle extra Blue Oxygen Yes Yes Go Big Access
News extra BBC World News No Coming soon Go Big Elite
News extra HLN Yes No Live a Little Access
News extra Blue CNBC Yes Yes Live a Little Access
News extra Blue MSNBC Yes Yes Live a Little Access
PREMIUM Cinemax No No PREMIUM PREMIUM
PREMIUM HBO No No PREMIUM PREMIUM, Ultra
PREMIUM Showtime PREMIUM PREMIUM No PREMIUM, Elite
PREMIUM Starz No No Gotta Have It No
Sports extra beIN Sports No No No Core
Sports extra Campus Insiders No No No No
Sports extra Motors TV No No No No
Sports extra NBA TV No No Go Big Core
Sports extra Outside Television No No No Elite
Sports extra Univision Deportes No No Gotta Have It No
Sports extra (Blue) NFL Red Zone No No No PREMIUM
Sports extra Blue Golf Channel Yes Yes Go Big Core
Sports extra Orange ESPN Bases Loaded No No No No
Sports extra Orange ESPN Buzzer Beater No No No No
Sports extra Orange ESPN Goal Line No No No No
Sports extra Orange ESPNEWS Yes Yes Just Right Core
Sports extra Orange ESPNU Yes Yes Just Right Core
Sports extra Orange SEC Network Yes Yes Just Right Core
World News Extra Euro News No No No No
World News Extra France 24 No No No No
World News Extra Fusion No No Just Right Elite
World News Extra NDTV 24/7 No No No No
World News Extra News 18 India No No No No
World News Extra Russia Today No No No No
Broadcast extra ABC Yes Yes Yes Yes
Spanish TV extra Orange ESPN Deportes No No No Elite
No American Heroes No No Go Big Elite
No Animal Planet No No Live a Little Access
No Audience No No Live a Little No
No Baby First No No Live a Little No
No Big Ten Network Yes No Just Right Core
No CBS Yes Yes No Yes
No CBS Sports Network Yes Yes No No
No Centric No No Go Big No
No Chiller Yes Yes Gotta Have It Elite
No CNBC World No No Just Right Elite
No CNN International Yes No No No
No Comedy.TV No No Just Right No
No CSPAN No No Live a Little No
No CSPAN 2 No No Live a Little No
No Destination America No No Go Big Access
No Discovery Channel No No Live a Little Access
No Discovery Family No No Go Big Access
No Discovery Life No No Go Big Elite
No Encore No No Gotta Have It No
No Fox Business Yes Yes Live a Little Access
No Fox College Sports No No No Elite
No Fox News Yes Yes Live a Little Access
No Fuse No No Just Right No
No FX Movie Channel Yes Yes Go Big Elite
No Hi-Yah No No No Elite
No HSN No No No No
No Impact No No No Elite
No Investigation Discovery No No Live a Little Access
No Ion No No No No
No JusticeCentral.TV No No Just Right No
No Machinima No No No Elite
No MGM-HD No No No Elite
No MLB Network No No Just Right Core
No MTV Classic No No Go Big No
No NECN Yes No No Core
No Nickelodeon No No Live a Little No
No ONE World Sports No No No Elite
No OWN No No Just Right Access
No PBS No No No No
No Poker Central No No No Elite
No POP Yes No No Access
No QVC No No No No
No Revolt No No Go Big No
No RFD TV No No Live a Little No
No Science No No Just Right Access
No Shudder No PREMIUM, coming soon No No
No Sprout Yes Yes Go Big Elite
No Sundance Now No PREMIUM, coming soon No No
No Telemundo Yes Coming soon Live a Little No
No Tennis Channel No No Go Big No
No The CW No Yes No No
No The Weather Channel No No Just Right No
No TLC No No Live a Little Access
No TVG No No Go Big No
No Universal HD No Yes No Elite
No Universo No Coming soon Go Big No
No Velocity HD No No Live a Little Elite
No WeatherNation No No Live a Little No

Notes
ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC networks only available in certain cities.

Most RSNs (Regional Sports Networks) not listed; varies per locality

PREMIUM = Available for an additional monthly fee beyond base package

DirecTV Now package key:
Live a Little = $35/month (Local ABC, Fox, NBC broadcasts included in select markets)
Just Right = $50/month
Go Big = $60/month ($35/month introductory price)
Gotta Have It = $70/month

Sling TV package key:
Orange = $20/month
Blue = $25/month
other ""extras"" = another $5 /month each (Sports extra with Blue is $10)
Broacast Extra: ABC, Univision and Univision Mas available to Sling Orange subscribers in select cities

PlayStation Vue package key:
(for New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas, San Francisco, Miami ONLY)
Access (Base) = $40/month
Core = $45/month (includes Access channels, some Regional Sports Networks)
Elite = $55/month (includes Access and Core channels)
Ultra = $75/month (includes Access, Core and Elite channels, plus HBO and Showtime)

(for other cities, where ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC are available via VOD only)
Access Slim (Base) = $30/month
Core Slim = $35/month (includes Access channels, some Regional Sports Networks)
Elite Slim = $45/month (includes Core and Access channels)
Ultra Slim = $65/month (includes Access, Core and Elite channels, plus HBO and Showtime)
May 23rd, 2017 at 5:07:56 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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It is rumored that Comcast is going to try and have all new installs by the end of the year Internet Protocol Television instead of QAM (quadrature amplitude modulation) tuners which were installed in all televisions sold in the USA since 2005.

In cable systems, a QAM tuner is linked to the cable in a manner that is equivalent to an ATSC (Advanced Television Systems Committee) tuner which is required to receive over-the-air (OTA) digital channels broadcast by local television stations when attached to an antenna
May 23rd, 2017 at 6:03:40 AM permalink
ams288
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I had a little 20 inch TV in my home office that just died last week. So I replaced it with a 28 inch Roku TV. The remote has a button for Sling. I had no idea what Sling was until I browsed through this thread.

I'm going to stick with cable. I can't ever imagine ditching cable.
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