Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

October 11th, 2015 at 2:42:18 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Evenbob

Between 1875 and 1940, there were 5 times
more deaths from tornado's per year than
now.


Pretty sure even though tornado warnings aren't perfect, even a couple extra minutes makes a difference going into a shelter, or even just your bathtub.

Hurricane warnings have probably made a even bigger difference. I remember plenty of nice sunny days prior to knowing a storm is going to hit a coastline. I would have never left an area based on the prior day. (25 years living in Florida total now)
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October 11th, 2015 at 2:46:52 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Pretty sure even though tornado warnings aren't perfect, even a couple extra minutes makes a difference going into a shelter, or even just your bathtub.


This is very true, but at the same time the population has gone way up, and this includes tornado areas. I am always wondering why tornadoes rarely hit city-centers. Did they build the cities where they were because of fewer storms or have we just been more lucky? Shouldn't a tornado touch down in downtown Dallas sooner or later?
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October 11th, 2015 at 2:50:26 PM permalink
Evenbob
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October 11th, 2015 at 3:48:21 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Did they build the cities where they were because of fewer storms or have we just been more lucky?


Although some people rebuild in the same area, it does make sense to me that people would end up in areas less prone to natural disasters just through a general reckoning.

If your home is getting mowed down every decade on average, you'd have to think that would influence people. (well some people)

People still want nice looking areas even if there are built-in risks.
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October 11th, 2015 at 5:59:06 PM permalink
reno
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Quote: kenarman
You have an 's' in there you don't need Reno, the Antarctic ice cap has been adding ice for 5 years and is now the largest it has ever been since satellite records. Do your research.


You're confusing Antarctica's land ice ("ice sheet") with Antartica's sea ice. Sea ice is increasing, land ice is decreasing. But overall, the continent of Antarctica has been losing about 134 billion metric tons of ice per year since 2002. (source: NASA)

Here's a Wall Street Journal article from March 2015:

Quote: Wall Street Journal
The latest study in Science is based on one of the longest available records studied to date. It includes radar-based measurements of ice-shelf thickness obtained from three overlapping satellite missions from 1994 to 2012. The measurements were taken roughly every month.

According to the data, more snowfall caused the ice shelves of East Antarctic to gain a great deal of volume between 1994 and 2003. That compensated for steady declines in ice shelf volume over the same period in the western part of the continent.

But from 2003 onward, the East Antarctic ice shelves stopped increasing in volume. As a result, the thinning of ice shelves across the entire continent, on average, sped up.


October 11th, 2015 at 6:52:46 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Q: When is evidence not evidence?

A: When it is contrary to your personal beliefs.

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October 11th, 2015 at 7:19:39 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: reno
You're confusing Antarctica's land ice ("ice sheet") with Antartica's sea ice. Sea ice is increasing, land ice is decreasing. But overall, the continent of Antarctica has been losing about 134 billion metric tons of ice per year since 2002. (source: NASA)

Here's a Wall Street Journal article from March 2015:

Quote: Wall Street Journal
The latest study in Science is based on one of the longest available records studied to date. It includes radar-based measurements of ice-shelf thickness obtained from three overlapping satellite missions from 1994 to 2012. The measurements were taken roughly every month.

According to the data, more snowfall caused the ice shelves of East Antarctic to gain a great deal of volume between 1994 and 2003. That compensated for steady declines in ice shelf volume over the same period in the western part of the continent.

But from 2003 onward, the East Antarctic ice shelves stopped increasing in volume. As a result, the thinning of ice shelves across the entire continent, on average, sped up.




The data doesn't fit their model so they have to find wiggle room and talk about small areas in the North of Antarctica and other ways of discounting this.

"Sea ice surrounding Antarctica reached a new record high extent this year, covering more of the southern oceans than it has since scientists began a long-term satellite record to map sea ice extent in the late 1970s. The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean." NASA

So if the sea ice isn't important in the south why is it in the north?
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October 12th, 2015 at 10:22:30 AM permalink
reno
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Quote: kenarman
So if the sea ice isn't important in the south why is it in the north?


There is no land underneath the North Pole. It's floating ice.
October 12th, 2015 at 10:37:48 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: reno
There is no land underneath the North Pole. It's floating ice.


Yes that is why Arctic melting doesn't raise the level of the worlds oceans. But that does not take away the fact that total area of ice in the Antarctic is growing not shrinking. The Arctic ice cap is also growing but is not back to the highest levels that were recorded by satellite but of course we really don't what level should be 'normal'.
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October 12th, 2015 at 10:54:31 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Aren't they saying that, while the area that the ice is covering is larger, the volume of the ice that is covering that area is smaller, and all of that volume of ice that is no longer part of the area in in liquid form in the oceans?
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