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January 6th, 2020 at 11:03:22 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Well how how are you objectively measuring his success in this?

I didn’t even press other points I’ve seen made. Like U.S. policy in Middle East “in tatters.” People believing he is leading us to an unnecessary war. Iran increasing the pace to nukes.

Objective Success? What is it?


The Middle East outside Israel is a sewer. Success is no nation getting hegemony.

I guess you think it would be better he blamed a YouTube video and did nothing?

You are the kind of person who would choose dishonor over war. After the dishonor you would still get war.
The President is a fink.
January 6th, 2020 at 11:06:21 AM permalink
rxwine
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Trump lovers kiss trump’s butt. That’s not news.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
January 6th, 2020 at 11:20:29 AM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: AZDuffman
The Middle East outside Israel is a sewer. Success is no nation getting hegemony.

I guess you think it would be better he blamed a YouTube video and did nothing?

You are the kind of person who would choose dishonor over war. After the dishonor you would still get war.
Is that what our imperial wars are about, honor?

While SA gets a pass on 911.

Opium production up 3 thousand percent since occupation.

added: Unfortunately for Iran, they have to respond.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
January 6th, 2020 at 12:26:28 PM permalink
Shrek
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Quote: AZDuffman
I guess you think it would be better he blamed a YouTube video and did nothing?

Haha I love it when people keep pointing this out lol! 😂😂
January 6th, 2020 at 12:38:21 PM permalink
Face
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Quote: Evenbob
You mean Trump didn't consult with
you first, a person with an opinion
and almost no facts? Gee whiz..


Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it.
January 6th, 2020 at 1:23:08 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: petroglyph
Is that what our imperial wars are about, honor?

While SA gets a pass on 911.

Opium production up 3 thousand percent since occupation.

added: Unfortunately for Iran, they have to respond.


They are about responding to a direct attack. Be it a direct attack or an attack on USA interests.

Iran directly attacked. Trump smartly acted quick and decisive.

Iran has been at various stages of war with the USA since 1978. Let them respond. Trump is not about to send a pallet of money like Obama did.
The President is a fink.
January 6th, 2020 at 1:30:51 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman

They are about responding to a direct attack. Be it a direct attack or an attack on USA interests.

Iran directly attacked. Trump smartly acted quick and decisive.

Iran has been at various stages of war with the USA since 1978. Let them respond. Trump is not about to send a pallet of money like Obama did.


And we're already spending millions of dollars moving troops and personnel around and going to heightened readiness.

All part of the Trump plan.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
January 6th, 2020 at 2:12:32 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: petroglyph
Is that what our imperial wars are about, honor?

While SA gets a pass on 911.

Opium production up 3 thousand percent since occupation.

added: Unfortunately for Iran, they have to respond.


They are about responding to a direct attack. Be it a direct attack or an attack on USA interests.

Iran directly attacked. Trump smartly acted quick and decisive.

Iran has been at various stages of war with the USA since 1978. Let them respond. Trump is not about to send a pallet of money like Obama did.
The killing of Suleiman has very little if any to do with the embassy being attacked.

There should not be an American embassy in Iraq, and they have asked us to leave. We won't, but they asked anyway.

Us destabilizing and going to war with Saddam's Iraq because of lies about wmd's, is the same reason that we will now go to war with Iran. Iran is one of the 4 country's left on the planet that are not members of the central bank. The coming war with Iran is about balance of payments and the petro dollar.

Do you recall when we were warring against Libya in 2011, and during the middle of the conflict, the insurgents stopped long enough to establish a central bank? During the middle of hostility's? https://www.zerohedge.com/article/libya-all-about-oil-or-all-about-banking

That war, like this one, is because of the governments of Libya, Iraq, and now Iran, not belonging to the central bank. All Iran would have to do to stop the coming slaughter would be, to say ok, we'll sign up for dollars for oil. But they probably won't. Other than that, war it is.

The pallets of money Obama sent to Iran, was already Iran's money that we had seized since 78, that made it impossible for Iran to make their payments to the IMF. That is why they took the hostages.

We have delivered and lost c-130's full of hundred dollar notes in Iraq. Not Iran's fault. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
January 6th, 2020 at 2:22:39 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: petroglyph
Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: petroglyph
Is that what our imperial wars are about, honor?

While SA gets a pass on 911.

Opium production up 3 thousand percent since occupation.

added: Unfortunately for Iran, they have to respond.


They are about responding to a direct attack. Be it a direct attack or an attack on USA interests.

Iran directly attacked. Trump smartly acted quick and decisive.

Iran has been at various stages of war with the USA since 1978. Let them respond. Trump is not about to send a pallet of money like Obama did.
The killing of Suleiman has very little if any to do with the embassy being attacked.

There should not be an American embassy in Iraq, and they have asked us to leave. We won't, but they asked anyway.

Us destabilizing and going to war with Saddam's Iraq because of lies about wmd's, is the same reason that we will now go to war with Iran. Iran is one of the 4 country's left on the planet that are not members of the central bank. The coming war with Iran is about balance of payments and the petro dollar.

Do you recall when we were warring against Libya in 2011, and during the middle of the conflict, the insurgents stopped long enough to establish a central bank? During the middle of hostility's? https://www.zerohedge.com/article/libya-all-about-oil-or-all-about-banking

That war, like this one, is because of the governments of Libya, Iraq, and now Iran, not belonging to the central bank. All Iran would have to do to stop the coming slaughter would be, to say ok, we'll sign up for dollars for oil. But they probably won't. Other than that, war it is.

The pallets of money Obama sent to Iran, was already Iran's money that we had seized since 78, that made it impossible for Iran to make their payments to the IMF. That is why they took the hostages.

We have delivered and lost c-130's full of hundred dollar notes in Iraq. Not Iran's fault. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1



You still really believe WMD is why we attacked Iraq? Really?
The President is a fink.
January 6th, 2020 at 2:41:52 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: petroglyph
Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: petroglyph
Is that what our imperial wars are about, honor?

While SA gets a pass on 911.

Opium production up 3 thousand percent since occupation.

added: Unfortunately for Iran, they have to respond.


They are about responding to a direct attack. Be it a direct attack or an attack on USA interests.

Iran directly attacked. Trump smartly acted quick and decisive.

Iran has been at various stages of war with the USA since 1978. Let them respond. Trump is not about to send a pallet of money like Obama did.
The killing of Suleiman has very little if any to do with the embassy being attacked.

There should not be an American embassy in Iraq, and they have asked us to leave. We won't, but they asked anyway.

Us destabilizing and going to war with Saddam's Iraq because of lies about wmd's, is the same reason that we will now go to war with Iran. Iran is one of the 4 country's left on the planet that are not members of the central bank. The coming war with Iran is about balance of payments and the petro dollar.

Do you recall when we were warring against Libya in 2011, and during the middle of the conflict, the insurgents stopped long enough to establish a central bank? During the middle of hostility's? https://www.zerohedge.com/article/libya-all-about-oil-or-all-about-banking

That war, like this one, is because of the governments of Libya, Iraq, and now Iran, not belonging to the central bank. All Iran would have to do to stop the coming slaughter would be, to say ok, we'll sign up for dollars for oil. But they probably won't. Other than that, war it is.

The pallets of money Obama sent to Iran, was already Iran's money that we had seized since 78, that made it impossible for Iran to make their payments to the IMF. That is why they took the hostages.

We have delivered and lost c-130's full of hundred dollar notes in Iraq. Not Iran's fault. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1



You still really believe WMD is why we attacked Iraq? Really?
As I just stated, it was about Iraq deciding to sell oil in payments other than US dollars. The lie to get the public behind it was wmd.

add: "Us destabilizing and going to war with Saddam's Iraq because of lies about wmd's, is the same reason that we will now go to war with Iran. Iran is one of the 4 country's left on the planet that are not members of the central bank. The coming war with Iran is about balance of payments and the petro dollar."

Maybe not clear enough? All wars are bankers wars, Smedley Butler.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW