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January 7th, 2020 at 5:36:07 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Nope, it's not. Iran attacked our embassy. Same as they did in 1979. Trump returned the attack.

This is what you do. You do not blame a YouTube video and send a pallet of cash.


It's one of Trump's biggest mistakes and miscalculations ever, and no amount of lying by his supporters is going to make any difference.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
January 7th, 2020 at 5:37:10 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler
At War? No

At conflict via proxies? Maybe....


You do not understand things at all. You think "at war" means a declared war like WWII. It is not.

Since they threw out the Shah they have called for the destruction of the USA.

But go ahead and blame it all on Trump. Maybe you will make the Limbaugh comparison list of Democrat comments vs. Iranian comments. Hard to tell them apart.

I can imagine you in 1942, complaining that the Doolittle raid would just make Japan more angry! Well, maybe not as it happened with a liberal Democrat in office........
The President is a fink.
January 7th, 2020 at 5:42:15 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: AZDuffman
You do not understand things at all. You think "at war" means a declared war like WWII. It is not.

Since they threw out the Shah they have called for the destruction of the USA.

But go ahead and blame it all on Trump. Maybe you will make the Limbaugh comparison list of Democrat comments vs. Iranian comments. Hard to tell them apart.

I can imagine you in 1942, complaining that the Doolittle raid would just make Japan more angry! Well, maybe not as it happened with a liberal Democrat in office........


Well Congress has a clear legal definition.... :

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm



Also, I never said I disagreed with the action. But, it is going to lead to escalation.... And, things are about to get very complicated....
January 7th, 2020 at 5:48:54 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: AZDuffman
Nope, it's not. Iran attacked our embassy. Same as they did in 1979. Trump returned the attack.

This is what you do. You do not blame a YouTube video and send a pallet of cash.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets The pallet of cash was there money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against_Iran "the US supported Saddam Hussein's regime in their use of chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war and the Iraqi–Kurdish conflict"

Saddam killed thousands of Iranians using US supplied and encouraged use of chemical weapons. Will Iran ever be able to pay their debt in your eyes?

afaik, the only youtube video was Libya?
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
January 7th, 2020 at 5:52:55 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler
Well Congress has a clear legal definition.... :

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm



Also, I never said I disagreed with the action. But, it is going to lead to escalation.... And, things are about to get very complicated....


Just so you know, Hitler only declared war on one country. Was he not "at war" with the others?

Yes, it will lead to escalation. Other alternative it to be a punk to Iran. Which do you prefer?
The President is a fink.
January 7th, 2020 at 5:58:46 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: petroglyph
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets The pallet of cash was there money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against_Iran "the US supported Saddam Hussein's regime in their use of chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war and the Iraqi–Kurdish conflict"

Saddam killed thousands of Iranians using US supplied and encouraged use of chemical weapons. Will Iran ever be able to pay their debt in your eyes?

afaik, the only youtube video was Libya?


Even if it was THEIR money, why send a pallet of cash to your enemy who was trying to develop nukes? Did we give Bayer back to Germany after WWI? Nope!

Iran can burn to the ground as far as I care. Lets see, Iraq invaded a nation the enemy and threatening the USA. That was was the best thing for the USA since Operation Barbarossa. It was in USA interests for a long, bloody stalemate. That is a hard fact of life, but it is a fact of life.

If Iran were a person and they were drowning, I would stick a fire hose in their mouth. The I would throw them a cider block. And I do not care how many "good Iranians" someone knows so claims that is awful to say. They want to destroy the USA. Lefties today seem to be taking their side all because of Trump hate.
The President is a fink.
January 7th, 2020 at 6:17:21 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: petroglyph
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets The pallet of cash was there money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against_Iran "the US supported Saddam Hussein's regime in their use of chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war and the Iraqi–Kurdish conflict"

Saddam killed thousands of Iranians using US supplied and encouraged use of chemical weapons. Will Iran ever be able to pay their debt in your eyes?

afaik, the only youtube video was Libya?


Even if it was THEIR money, why send a pallet of cash to your enemy who was trying to develop nukes? Did we give Bayer back to Germany after WWI? Nope!

Iran can burn to the ground as far as I care. Lets see, Iraq invaded a nation the enemy and threatening the USA. That was was the best thing for the USA since Operation Barbarossa. It was in USA interests for a long, bloody stalemate. That is a hard fact of life, but it is a fact of life.

If Iran were a person and they were drowning, I would stick a fire hose in their mouth. The I would throw them a cider block. And I do not care how many "good Iranians" someone knows so claims that is awful to say. They want to destroy the USA. Lefties today seem to be taking their side all because of Trump hate.
What else against the US did they ever have, but bluster? Them firing back at a US base is beyond stupid. I hope we don't hit any archaeological sites when we return fire.

What does a pallet load of $$ cost the federal reserve to print? That is what we want them to do, is deal in US dollars. Same thing Bill Gates did with Microsoft, he gave computers to the schools knowing they'd have to buy all the upgrades from him. If Iran would trade oil in only dollars or mostly dollars, this would never be an issue.

It is the dollar that we are trying to protect, not real estate or even religions or people.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
January 7th, 2020 at 6:19:10 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: petroglyph
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets The pallet of cash was there money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against_Iran "the US supported Saddam Hussein's regime in their use of chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war and the Iraqi–Kurdish conflict"

Saddam killed thousands of Iranians using US supplied and encouraged use of chemical weapons. Will Iran ever be able to pay their debt in your eyes?

afaik, the only youtube video was Libya?


Even if it was THEIR money, why send a pallet of cash to your enemy who was trying to develop nukes? Did we give Bayer back to Germany after WWI? Nope!

Iran can burn to the ground as far as I care. Lets see, Iraq invaded a nation the enemy and threatening the USA. That was was the best thing for the USA since Operation Barbarossa. It was in USA interests for a long, bloody stalemate. That is a hard fact of life, but it is a fact of life.

If Iran were a person and they were drowning, I would stick a fire hose in their mouth. The I would throw them a cider block. And I do not care how many "good Iranians" someone knows so claims that is awful to say. They want to destroy the USA. Lefties today seem to be taking their side all because of Trump hate.



I am not sure what lefties you refer to, there are few who are more anti-Iran than me...

But, Iran is the center of a complicated web, and a war will not be easy.... The Middle East may never be the same. Also, destabilizing Iran will have consequences, such as strengthening rival Islamic groups...
January 7th, 2020 at 6:54:25 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman


Yes, it will lead to escalation. Other alternative it to be a punk to Iran. Which do you prefer?


So, if Trump doesn't return this latest attack, he's a punk.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
January 7th, 2020 at 8:17:36 PM permalink
Evenbob
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CNN Settles Lawsuit with Covington Catholic Student Nick Sandmann

How many Libbies here said he would
get nothing, the lawsuits would be
thrown out. I said he will be set for
life. Experts say he probably got
at least $75 million from CNN,
with other suits pending.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.