Gun Control

Quote: petroglyph

I thought gun ranges practiced safe gunning.

They do. It's not about safety. Never was.

Here's my opinion. Maybe terp will learn something...

There's a political concept called the Overton Window. This describes a spectrum of ideas that are considered "favorable" to the public at any given time. Pols like to be keyed in on these, as that's what they trumpet to get support. This, IMO, IS the politician. It's why they're all "liars"; they're not vessels of integrity or philosopher kings elevated to status via merit. They're for the most part just yes-boys. They SAY things that fit the window, because that's how you get elected. Actually doing it is immaterial, as evidenced by the last 40yrs of American politics. Keep your doctor, Mejico will pay, Read My Lips, on and on and on.

They don't say where the window is, though. The window is not in their power. The window is us, John and Jill Q Public. WE set the window. Problem with that is WE are stupid as f#$%.

Back in the 50's and 60's, that window was moved by the public to the area of civil rights. Whereas previously the window sat in the arena of "coloreds" and segregation, the public moved the window towards freedom, civility, and fairness. And so we had civil rights, and those pols who read that window made their way in, and we got JFK and LBJ. Great.

The problem is that window is now being commandeered thanks to such horses#$% as "money is speech", just as it was commandeered back then. See back then, there were still people pissed off about them nasty 3/5ths Americans. People who still saw them, regardless of the publicly set window, as animals and savages and less than humans. So what these people did is some politicking of their own. And one of the places they found a holding was with the War on Drugs. The window has moved so that we can no longer openly assault and batter black folk without public outcry, but if we can commandeer another window, we can bend it to our will. And so the fervor about drugs was weaponized for just that, and uppity black folks could again be discriminated upon and tossed back into property status. Reefer Madness, anyone? Worked like a charm for 50yrs and counting.

This is what that is, and I've called it all along. How many Team Blues here repeated over and over again that "no one wants to take your guns?" Well, here we are. Told ya so.

This is what that is, what it has been for the last 7 disgusting years. You poke and prod and feel and test. That's how you find the window. You send some f#$%wit out saying he's gonna take em all and then review the results. Robert Francis ain't serious, he's a plant. He's the bait, the sacrifice. Toss him out there and see where the upper limit is. Tell me you can see this.

Meanwhile, that "window" is under attack. I say "attack" because it's not the will of the people, and I say it's not the will of the people because I never, ever, ever hear an informed, intelligent and UNIQUE discussion about the issue. Here mirrors home. Alls I get is parroting of what someone else has said, and almost every single time I can refute that BS point with 15sec of Googling, because it's mass produced BS propaganda meant for this very thing.

You see, there are people working on that window. That's what all this propaganda and false speak bulls#$% is about. "Assault weapon", "weapon of war", terp's absurd video. Just as there was a measured effort to keep blacks in their place with Reefer Madness, there is an effort here to demonize and dehumanize gun owners as "others", as once you can make them "others", you make them free to attack. To capitalize on humanity's psychology to distrust that which is different or misunderstood. You're no longer "taking rights from Americans", you're "saving the children" and/or "stopping a monster" and/or "promoting peace".

This is Creeping Normalcy, otherwise known as the Boiling Frog parable. I'm 38yrs old and used to bring firearms to school and trade ammo openly in class. My son will be expelled for biting a pop tart into a sidearm shape, and I face child protective services for Facebook posting a day at the range with him. Father son good times and teaching responsibility, now a crime in 2019. Is it getting hot in here, OR IS IT JUST ME?


Sort of an aside, but remember the big crime dip in the 90s I always mention? I brought up Webb and the CIA drug running to fund the toppling of Socialist Nicaragua last time, but found another bit to make sense of that. Roe v Wade. All those kids that would have been born into difficulty and poverty in 1973 and on, weren't. And 20yrs later when all those kids would have become adults, a sudden, incredible, never seen before drop in crime came across the board. It's almost as if.... maybe.... there's more to the issue than firearms?

Sorry for the informational derail. Back to absurdity...

Quote: SOOPOO

I wonder how many consider this bad news? I consider it good news when any criminal is killed committing armed robbery.

Libbies consider it bad news. They are happier when people die from knives rather than guns.

Quote: Face

My son will be expelled for biting a pop tart into a sidearm shape, and I face child protective services for Facebook posting a day at the range with him.

Absolute madness, Face, sorry to hear this

Quote: odiousgambit

Absolute madness, Face, sorry to hear this

You misunderstand me. It didn't happen to me. But both have happened, as that's where we are.

Tis madness, on that we agree

Quote: Face

You misunderstand me. It didn't happen to me. But both have happened, as that's where we are.

Tis madness, on that we agree

whew! yeah, I thought it was remarkable that these things made the news and it happened to you too, so, glad it didn't

As children, did your schools have "Show and tell"? Our schools a couple times a year would ask all of the kids to bring in something they liked, show the class, and talk about it. I know at least twice I took in toy guns to the school and showed them off. Once it was a semi-realistic looking rifle that we called a "Pop gun". The other time it was a set of "Cap guns" that looked like old west revolvers. I am guessing kids wouldn't be able to take those today.

In Las Vegas some kids went out at night and shot up their school with paint balls. They were caught and prosecuted for having firearms at school. I believe both were expelled. The punishment seemed a little harsh to me as they never threatened anyone and they were paint ball guns.

Quote: DRich

As children, did your schools have "Show and tell"? Our schools a couple times a year would ask all of the kids to bring in something they liked, show the class, and talk about it. I know at least twice I took in toy guns to the school and showed them off. Once it was a semi-realistic looking rifle that we called a "Pop gun". The other time it was a set of "Cap guns" that looked like old west revolvers. I am guessing kids wouldn't be able to take those today.

In Las Vegas some kids went out at night and shot up their school with paint balls. They were caught and prosecuted for having firearms at school. I believe both were expelled. The punishment seemed a little harsh to me as they never threatened anyone and they were paint ball guns.

I'm 60
We had show and tell
Nobody in my classes brought a gun to school
You deface the school with paintballs, yea you should be expelled. I would have never done that, not even to a rival school. Don't want to get expelled

Quote: terapined

yea you should be expelled

Agree, I think it is too hard to get expelled now, in fact I wonder if it shouldn't have happened to some of these nuts who shoot the place up, back when they hit 6th grade

Quote: DRich

In Las Vegas some kids went out at night and shot up their school with paint balls. They were caught and prosecuted for having firearms at school. I believe both were expelled. The punishment seemed a little harsh to me as they never threatened anyone and they were paint ball guns.

Not sure where I sit here. For sure I would not expel for "firearms" as a paint gun is not a firearm. But I take a very dim view of destruction of school property, even more on off-hours. Writing on a desk because you are bored is one thing. Making a special trip to vandalize is something else.

Quote: AZDuffman

Not sure where I sit here. For sure I would not expel for "firearms" as a paint gun is not a firearm. But I take a very dim view of destruction of school property, even more on off-hours. Writing on a desk because you are bored is one thing. Making a special trip to vandalize is something else.

I agree they should be punished for destruction of property. I just can't see giving them the same punishment as somebody that brought a firearm to school.