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Can I pray to Satan in school?
| November 16th, 2014 at 9:09:45 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Sorry, not even close. I lack precise figures, but Judaism has been around for perhaps 5,000 years, in various forms (no religion goes on for long without many changes). For close duration, you're nearly where the ancient Egyptian pagans were until around 400-500 AD. That religion, in various forms, lasted for around 3,000 years. And it had a hierarchy of a sort.
Which makes Catholic and Orthodox Christianity a rather strange religion when you look at the big picture. Most religions have no hierarchy, nor a central government. But then most religions did not assimilate the Roman Empire. Largely that's how the Catholic church is still organized, though it has expanded beyond Rome's old borders (and surrendered the East to the Orthodox). For simple proof I offer the word "diocese." It's old Latin, derived from older Greek, meaning "administrative division." Today it means "the territorial jurisdiction of a bishop" (according to Merriam-Webster). The term was used at least as far back as the time of the Emperor Diocletian, to mean the administrative regions under which he divided the Empire. Chances are by the year 6,000 CE (Common Era), Christianity will have played out. Archeologists and historians will endlessly debate whether Christians were monotheists or polytheists. Antiques collectors will pay good money for a cross known to come from a famous church, and crosses alleged to come from St. Peter's in Rome will be suspect because there are a lot of fakes out there. Some new(er) religion will be nearly universal, and trying to convert the small Jewish minority <w>. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| November 16th, 2014 at 11:58:08 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Padre, you are way off. Not allowing them to pass materials out limits freedom. It seems as if you subscribe to the "All animals are equal…but some are more equal than others" philosophy. Additionally, the "I know it when I see it" was merely a part of the concurring opinion of Justice Stewart. Moreover, that decision was eventually modified. I would contest that Catholics being able to hand out literature should be banned as Catholicism has likely harmed more people throughout history than Satanism. In my opinion, both are equally ridiculous and inconsequential to my life as neither "God" nor "Satan" exist beyond the fantastical minds of those that wrote the bible some 2000 years ago after borrowing heavily from plenty of other creation stories and pagan religions. |
| November 16th, 2014 at 12:28:22 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
That came much later, and gradually. Before about 1100 AD, only somebody going into the church as a profession was taught how to read and write. After 1100, they started teaching church members who wanted it. "At the Third Lateran Council of 1179 the Church mandated that priests provide the opportunity of a free education to their flocks." After the invention of the printing press, things really took off. There were a few universities in the 11th century, but only the wealthy could afford to attend. The common person had no reason to go to school, they were peasants who had no need for it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| November 16th, 2014 at 7:21:03 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Seriously Ace if I'm off base you are in another stadium. Keep your fantastical and crazy ideas that the universe just popped into being and we are all meaningless accidents to yourself. Your false reading of history and the formation of the Bible is also ridiculous and absurd. Ultimately, however I do recognize that you have a right to say such silly stuff. I believe and trust that truth will always win out in the end. So as long as we continue to encourage people to be reasonable and thoughtful they will see through the lies and truly dangerous things like satanism and discover the truth of Jesus Christ. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 16th, 2014 at 8:17:34 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
That can only be discovered if it's explained to them. They can't find it on their own, it doesn't exist in nature, only in the minds of some people. A person stranded on a desert island as a child will never discover Jesus, he doesn't exist to be discovered. Sadly, he will never discover Santa either. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| November 16th, 2014 at 8:20:33 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I don't get your main point here Bob, the deserted person on an island won't know that Saturn has rings or speak another language or understand calculus does that mean these things aren't true? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 16th, 2014 at 8:32:35 PM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
You can look into the sky and, on certain nights, see Saturn. |
| November 16th, 2014 at 8:45:39 PM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Let ye without sin padre… Padre, are you saying the virgin birth was not borrowed? Are you saying that Revelations is literal? Unless Revelations is literal, then it is open to interpretation as ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO BE.
— Padre, there are countless others…perhaps Satan made me post this and is somehow brainwashing me into believing that belief in higher mystical beings is wrong. Of course, that is all nonsense. How can you explain just the few examples above? That predate the Bible by thousands of years…? |
| November 16th, 2014 at 9:25:10 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Ace let's begin by asking why if other religious traditions had similar stories that somehow discredits the Jewish Scriptures? Just a cursory glance at the fragments of some of the ancient writing you quote reveal similarities and many great differences between them and the Torah. Could the fact that these older texts from various and diverse cultures that speak of a garden, a flood, some vague commandments be a sign of a truth that is incomplete in the earlier expressions and now completed through the revelation of God to His chosen people? These other texts could be preparation for the truth to be revealed in its fullness. You see if your argument is that the Jewish Scriptures are false or worthless because they contain similar material from different centuries and cultures then that does not follow. It is illogical. What would make a little more sense is that if the Pentateuch claims to present stories from the beginning of time then its historical facts would indeed share some similarities with other texts from different times and lands that claim to represent the same early or original history. It makes sense to me that God would give some sparks of truth to anyone truly searching for Him. Maybe instead of satan it is God who is leading you to explore these texts that predate the Bible to prepare you to understand it a little better. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 16th, 2014 at 9:34:08 PM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 | I leave this in the capable hands of EvenBob as these issues do not concern me as I do not believe in these fairy tales and arguing over them is pointless |