The Trump implosion thread!

Quote: aceofspades

I wonder how many people commenting on the decision read the DOJ's motion - whether on the Left or Right, nobody can say they want law enforcement acting this way towards anyone:

Here it is:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6936-michael-flynn-motion-to-dismiss/fa06f5e13a0ec71843b6/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

I read it. Wow. Just a mess.

Anyone that wants investigations and justice done in that way is a moron. I am all for proper investigations completed with professionalism. This was not that.

Quote: RonC

Do you see anything at all that anyone involved in this whole thing from the Democrat Party, the FBI, the DOJ, etc. (in other words, the people on your side) did wrong?

No. Flynn lied to the FBI. No one denies that. He admitted it. That’s a crime. Lock him up.

Also: huh? The DOJ and the FBI are “people on my side”? What does that say about your side?

Quote: ams288

No. Flynn lied to the FBI. No one denies that. He admitted it. That’s a crime. Lock him up.

Do you understand why it wasn't a crime? Do you get how the FBI failed to follow polices? Do you get how he was told a lawyer wan't necessary?

I am not saying that there was nothing that was incorrect said; the stretch is that it didn't meet the standards of being a crime.

It doesn't mean that I think that he is a choir boy.

I bet you are all for people wrongly charged or convicted being set free...except now.

Every lie is not a crime.

Quote: ams288

Also: huh? The DOJ and the FBI are “people on my side”? What does that say about your side?

You aren't dumb; you know what I mean. Specifically, of all the people involved in the Flynn investigation, the impeachment, the Mueller thing, the FISA warrants, etc.--the people who wanted to get rid of Trump from the beginning, so "your side"--do you think any of them were corrupt or wrong?

I'm all for the FBI and other agencies, if they do their job without prejudice. The people at the top were not doing that in this case.

Quote: RonC

Every lie is not a crime.

Every lie to the FBI is a crime.

Quote: ams288

Every lie to the FBI is a crime.

Apparently not! Didn't you read the reason why in this case it is not? I can't remember the exact scenario some famous American said "I did not have sex with that woman!", but the people who are saying Flynn committed a crime certainly didn't think that Slick Willie did.

I really am not that interested in Flynn. Wasn't he fired by Trump? Isn't it odd that even after firing him Trump would support him on the criminal matter? Wouldn't it have been easier for Trump to say "See, that's why I fired him?"

Quote: RonC

Specifically, of all the people involved in the Flynn investigation, the impeachment, the Mueller thing, the FISA warrants, etc.--the people who wanted to get rid of Trump from the beginning, so "your side"--do you think any of them were corrupt or wrong?

They do not think that they are wrong... They believe, and their actions over the past 3 plus years have proven, that any attempt to remove Trump from office is righteous, no matter what they must do. So any attempt cannot be corrupt, as the goal of his ouster supersedes the unscrupulous tactics they use. It is the way of the anti-Trumpers. Clear as a bell.

Quote: SOOPOO

They do not think that they are wrong... They believe, and their actions over the past 3 plus years have proven, that any attempt to remove Trump from office is righteous, no matter what they must do. So any attempt cannot be corrupt, as the goal of his ouster supersedes the unscrupulous tactics they use. It is the way of the anti-Trumpers. Clear as a bell.

The ends justify the means is the mantra of the left. They are the new fascists. The defenders of freedom are on the right. That has changed 180 since WWII.

Quote: SOOPOO

Apparently not! Didn't you read the reason why in this case it is not? I can't remember the exact scenario some famous American said "I did not have sex with that woman!", but the people who are saying Flynn committed a crime certainly didn't think that Slick Willie did.

I really am not that interested in Flynn. Wasn't he fired by Trump? Isn't it odd that even after firing him Trump would support him on the criminal matter? Wouldn't it have been easier for Trump to say "See, that's why I fired him?"

Like Trump Clinton was impeached but not convicted. (Also, like Trump has a history of sexual misconduct allegations and sketchy foreign relations).


Clinton was found guilty of lying (contempt of court in this case) lost his law license and got a large fine (50K I think).
He also settled out of court some civil suites....

Clinton is a scumbag with bad policies and bad morals, no surprise he used to be buddies with Trump when they used to go to that island....


Nobody on the left defends Clinton.

I highly recommend this 1999 book by Christopher Hitchens if anyone has doubts about Clinton "Nobody Left to Lie To" :
https://www.amazon.com/One-Left-Lie-Triangulations-Jefferson/dp/1455522996

oops never mind

Quote: Gandler

Clinton is a scumbag with bad policies and bad morals, no surprise he used to be buddies with Trump when they used to go to that island....

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are obvious slimeballs
I give neither a pass, both disgust me.
Just amazes me the attacks of Clinton's character by the right which are justified yet at the same time defending obvious slimeball Trump
Really amazes me how some people cant determine who slimeballs are due to politics

Some on the right, you give them proof a person is a slimeball. Many on the right cant agree a person is a slimeball till they know the politics of that slimeball.
There are slimeballs on the left and right. I call out both regardless of politics