The Biden Presidency 2021

Quote: Mission146

I pretty much agree with this post in its entirety, though, "Most popular President in U.S. history," was such an absurd statement on its face as to be not worth addressing. By the same standard, Trump is the second most popular President in U.S. History despite the fact that he lost the Popular Vote.

And every POTUS since I don't even know when is more popular than Abraham Lincoln, but only by virtue of the country being more populated than it was then.

If I had to look at anything for popularity of a recent POTUS, then I would want to look at what percentage of the popular vote did they get in a reelection campaign because:

A.) They were actually President at the time they won.

AND:

B.) I would think a minimum bellwether of popularity would be getting reelected.

Which, since 1900 would be:

1.) Nixon

2.) F.D.R. (first reelection)

AND:

3.) Reagan

Of course, then you can make arguments about the quality of the opponent and things like that, but I think it's a better metric than what Gandler is using.

Well that is why voter turnout matters. 66% turnout of voter eligible population, the highest in U.S. history. So having the most votes in an election with the highest turnout percentage in history is a good sign that you are a solid canidate.

2020 was pretty historic, not just total number of votes (which grows with population), but turnout percent. Now, is some of this due to mail in ballots expansion? Possibly, but it does not matter.

Does this mean he is the most popular President in history? No, but its just important to point out because the right disputes this (especially since Trump says he is the most popular President for this very reason). So it's fun to he hyperbolic with the actual results.

My guess at the end of his four years, he will have higher average approval ratings than Trump (now to be fair this is a low bar). I would guess he will be in the middle of the pack as far as historical Presidential ratings go, not great, but not terrible (which will also be higher than Trump who basically is at the bottom or within 2 slots of the bottom depending on which rating you use).

Quote: rxwine

If you mean the "Cult of personality" Democrats have had a few. JFK, Obama is close enough for modern history. I'd have to question your judgment if you think Biden has ever been in that group.

We have no qualified "deities" at the moment. Much as I disliked Reagan, I think it's an insult to compare him to Trump. But Reagan certainly attained that mantle, imo.

I don't mean that. Cancel culture and woke-ness are the current gods of the Democrats; they just lack a physical embodiment. They also can't get the Far Left under control and are often forced to submit to their wishes, much to their own overall detriment. Manchin isn't going to stand for it, though, so as has been pointed out...the Democrats will have almost nothing to show for having the White House and both bodies of Congress. Manchin's not exactly a DINO, but it's like I said before:

What do you call a West Virginia Democrat in any other state?



And, a good thing, at that. Otherwise, you would see the middle class standard of living tank in a serious hurry once the Democrats enacted all of their policies.

If I'm being charitable...and I mean, REALLY charitable, maybe my doom and gloom prediction wouldn't come to pass and the bottom 15%, or something, would actually experience a better standard of living. Unfortunately, the tradeoff is that the middle 75% are all going to be brought down significantly, most of them brought down to the standard of living that becomes the case for the 15% that MAYBE manage to see an actual improvement. The rich will stay rich; they'll just raise prices.

Anyway, no, you don't have a person who is a deity on that side...but you guys are slaves to the Far Left collective. It's Polytheism, or maybe it's just being total sellouts to a handful of ideas.

Quote: Gandler

Well that is why voter turnout matters. 66% turnout of voter eligible population, the highest in U.S. history. So having the most votes in an election with the highest turnout percentage in history is a good sign that you are a solid canidate.

2020 was pretty historic, not just total number of votes (which grows with population), but turnout percent. Now, is some of this due to mail in ballots expansion? Possibly, but it does not matter.

Does this mean he is the most popular President in history? No, but its just important to point out because the right disputes this (especially since Trump says he is the most popular President for this very reason). So it's fun to he hyperbolic with the actual results.

My guess at the end of his four years, he will have higher average approval ratings than Trump (now to be fair this is a low bar). I would guess he will be in the middle of the pack as far as historical Presidential ratings go, not great, but not terrible (which will also be higher than Trump who basically is at the bottom or within 2 slots of the bottom depending on which rating you use).

A potted plant would have carried at least 45% of the Popular Vote against Trump. Besides, you didn't say, "Solid candidate," you said, "Most popular President in U.S. History," with your basis for that statement being the number of votes he carried before even actually being a President at all.

I'm going to go out on a definitional limb here and say that you can't be considered the most popular POTUS without actually being the POTUS, but what do I know?

I tend not to be a big fan of hyperbole most of the time---especially since the entire nature of political discourse in this country has been nothing but hyperbole for going on five-and-a-half years now.

Also, if you're aping something said by Trump and/or Trump supporters, there's a good chance that you're saying something that crosses the line from hyperbole to being flatly ridiculous on its face.

With a little over three years on the clock, I'm not inclined to hazard a guess at this time. Assuming he's still alive by then, I think the main thing to look at will be what he manages to get done in the last two years of this term, when he has to work with a GOP Senate.

If you'd have asked me on January 3rd, or something, I would have said that, ten or twenty years from now, Trump would have made his way out of the bottom ten with bottom five, or worse (presently) just being a matter of recency bias. After January 6th, I'm not so sure---I guess it will just come down to how jmuch blame does Trump ultimately get for that event.

It also doesn't escape my attention that the people chanting, "F^&%^& Joe Biden," are largely the same group who had a problem with Colin Kaepernick kneeling (as I did, but for a somewhat different reason) who made the argument that sporting events are not the place for political agendas.

Quote: Mission146

A potted plant would have carried at least 45% of the Popular Vote against Trump. Besides, you didn't say, "Solid candidate," you said, "Most popular President in U.S. History," with your basis for that statement being the number of votes he carried before even actually being a President at all.

I'm going to go out on a definitional limb here and say that you can't be considered the most popular POTUS without actually being the POTUS, but what do I know?

I tend not to be a big fan of hyperbole most of the time---especially since the entire nature of political discourse in this country has been nothing but hyperbole for going on five-and-a-half years now.

Also, if you're aping something said by Trump and/or Trump supporters, there's a good chance that you're saying something that crosses the line from hyperbole to being flatly ridiculous on its face.

With a little over three years on the clock, I'm not inclined to hazard a guess at this time. Assuming he's still alive by then, I think the main thing to look at will be what he manages to get done in the last two years of this term, when he has to work with a GOP Senate.

If you'd have asked me on January 3rd, or something, I would have said that, ten or twenty years from now, Trump would have made his way out of the bottom ten with bottom five, or worse (presently) just being a matter of recency bias. After January 6th, I'm not so sure---I guess it will just come down to how jmuch blame does Trump ultimately get for that event.

I agree, but when the majority of conservatives on here use hyperbole based on falsehoods, sometimes it's fun to throw some truth on here.

The fact that virtually every conservstive on this board (with maybe two exceptions) thinks Trump is still President and/or actually won the election and/or "there are concerns with the process" (and posts this several times a day), I don't feel even the slightest guilt posting the actual election results occasionally as a shield of truth.

So no, I don't think he is the most popular President in reality. But, it's important to show how much "Dementia Joe" crushed Trump with the numbers and turnout. Pretty impressive and/or pretty pathetic for Trump.

I agree this is something that should have never been an issue and certainly should not still be one, but I am not the one posting nonstop about it.... I just can't refrain when people get too outlandish (which sadly is also a low bar on this topic).....

Quote: Gandler

I agree, but when the majority of conservatives on here use hyperbole based on falsehoods, sometimes it's fun to throw some truth on here.

The fact that virtually every conservstive on this board (with maybe two exceptions) thinks Trump is still President and/or actually won the election and/or "there are concerns with the process" (and posts this several times a day), I don't feel even the slightest guilt posting the actual election results occasionally as a shield of truth.

So no, I don't think he is the most popular President in reality. But, it's important to show how much "Dementia Joe" crushed Trump with the numbers and turnout. Pretty impressive and/or pretty pathetic for Trump.

I agree this is something that should have never been an issue and certainly should not still be one, but I am not the one posting nonstop about it.... I just can't refrain when people get too outlandish (which sadly is also a low bar on this topic).....

I'm going to go ahead and mostly agree with your post. The, "Rigged Election," issue is mostly ridiculous not because how little of a reason to think that the courts were biased against Trump, but mostly because it would have required a concerted effort to rig the Election to include states ran by Republicans, with Arizona being the most obvious example. Pennsylvania they can at least make the argument that the election was reasonably close and at least has a Democrat Governor. Michigan is beyond all comprehension for them to claim as the state wasn't even close. Of course, they made the same claim in states that were straight blowouts (such as Virginia) that went Biden's way. WHY would Trump have won Virginia against Biden when Clinton curb stomped him in Virginia?

I would say, "Pretty pathetic." The irony is that, the more they defecate on Joe Biden, the more amusing it becomes that Joe Biden is the one who defeated their God...pretty handily, I might add. If they want to criticize what Biden does in office, that's one thing, but criticizing Biden as a person or candidate just makes Trump that much worse by comparison.

You might not be posting nonstop about it, but it was the Left who posted nonstop about Trump for four years and change, so for the right to constantly complain about Biden is fair play. Besides, they're less incessant about it than were the Liberals complaining about Trump.

Quote: Mission146

Cancel culture and woke-ness are the current gods of the Democrats; they just lack a physical embodiment.

16 Times Conservatives Tried To Cancel Things, Even Though They Pretend To Hate "Cancel Culture"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/conservatives-love-cancel-culture

After looking up wokeness to find out specifically what it refers to I'm going to defend it. But like all things there are misplaced issues of wokeness.

Quote: Gandler

The fact that virtually every conservstive on this board (with maybe two exceptions) thinks Trump is still President and/or actually won the election and/or "there are concerns with the process" (and posts this several times a day), I don't feel even the slightest guilt posting the actual election results occasionally as a shield of truth.

I'd be happy to stick on the topic of the Biden Presidency. Trump's gone (for now, as far as being President, and that is that) and the election was duly certified. I do wish President Biden could remember that, too, since he is relying a lot on blaming President Trump even while he made lots of changes to Trump policies since he took office. Blaming the last guy only takes you so far...

Quote: rxwine

16 Times Conservatives Tried To Cancel Things, Even Though They Pretend To Hate "Cancel Culture"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/conservatives-love-cancel-culture

After looking up wokeness to find out specifically what it refers to I'm going to defend it. But like all things there are misplaced issues of wokeness.

I'll try to look at your list objectively, but for Conservatives to be hypocrites about something comes as no surprise to me, anyway. I'm pretty sure, were I to open up the Thesaurus, that, "Christian," is a synonym of the word, "Hypocrite."

For my part, I hate cancel culture and have never tried to cancel anything or supported the canceling of anything. My problems with it also stem mostly just from people trying to cancel those who are basically just ordinary people.

1.) Dixie Chicks:

---I'll reluctantly give you that one, but you could make an argument for free association. I can't imagine making a choice to drop a band because they said something outlandish, (NOFX, for example, recently said something related to the Mandalay Bay shooting that even I can't get behind, but it doesn't mean I'd stop listening to their music...basically, I think all mass shootings are equally terrible regardless of who is getting shot) but I could understand why some might.

This is one that I'm on the fence about. When I think of, "Cancel Culture," I think of going after people in their individual capacity---trying to get perople fired for something they said on the social media, or what have you. The Dixie Chicks are a band, so that's largely (though not entirely) just consumers changing their choices. I say not entirely because burning the albums is definitely a bit much.

2.) Colin Kaepernick

---Maybe. I think that one is actually kind of borderline because it was detrimental to the workplace and put the NFL in a bad spot. My argument against Colin Kaepernick has been very consistent in that the workplace is simply not the forum for political agendas...particularly if you are asked not to do it. My comparison in a couple of articles was, "It would be like you went to Target and, instead of asking if you found everything, the cashier started telling you what County Commissioners she planned to vote for and why."

If they had went after Kaepernick for something that he was doing, "Off the clock," then I would concede the point.

3.) Nike

---That's just a boycott of a company. In my opinion, that doesn't apply. I'm fine with any company being boycotted for any reason that a person wants to boycott it. I might think some boycotts are stupid, but I have no problem with them. I don't buy Nike (though I'm not expressly boycotting them)...but that wouldn't even make my Top 20 list of reasons to boycott Nike were I inclined to do so.

4.) Ellen

---Granted. Of course, the Liberals recently led a (largely unsuccessful) effort to get Ellen cancelled, as well.

5.) Samantha Bee

---She called Ivanka Trump a, "C^$*$%." If both sides were honest and never hypocritical, then that should rightfully p$%*%$ off both sides. Is calling Ivanka Trump that appropriate language? Is calling Ivanka Trump that empowering to women? You let any male get on TV and call a woman that word and the Left will be calling for his head.

---Besides, people can watch what they want to watch, so that's not exactly the sort of, 'Canceling,' I'm talking about. Her advertisers could have certainly stood behind her if they wanted to.

6.) Beyonce'

---Granted, but that wasn't even a meaningful try.

7.) Target

---I don't see the problem. Personally, I think Target should be permitted (within the confines of law) to make whatever bathroom policy it wants to, but there's nothing hypocritical about Conservatives boycotting a business for that and people can boycott any business for whatever reason they want to.

***I'm not including businesses for the rest of this, or I will just repeat myself.

8.) Jane Fonda

---I don't even really know who that is.

9.) The Hunt

---As opposed to what? Do you expect Conservatives to give that a perfect review on MetaCritic? Ghostbusters movie would have been a better example.

10.) Nascar

---Ironically enough. Ha. Still a consumer choice, though.

11.) Keurig

---Company.

12.) Kathy Griffin

---Best example yet. 100% spot on with that one.

13.) Gillette

---Company.

14.) James Gunn

---See, that's an interesting one because you could make the argument just that they are using the same tactics. Also, it was Marvel/Disney that fired him; they could have stood behind him.

15.) French Fries

---I don't know if that qualifies...

16.) Michelle Wolf

---No idea who that is.

Quote: RonC

I'd be happy to stick on the topic of the Biden Presidency. Trump's gone (for now, as far as being President, and that is that) and the election was duly certified. I do wish President Biden could remember that, too, since he is relying a lot on blaming President Trump even while he made lots of changes to Trump policies since he took office. Blaming the last guy only takes you so far...

Compared to Trump's, "Blame the last guy," clock, I'd say that Biden still has some time left.