The Biden Presidency 2021

Quote: Mission146

I'll try to look at your list objectively, but for Conservatives to be hypocrites about something comes as no surprise to me, anyway. I'm pretty sure, were I to open up the Thesaurus, that, "Christian," is a synonym of the word, "Hypocrite."

For my part, I hate cancel culture and have never tried to cancel anything or supported the canceling of anything. My problems with it also stem mostly just from people trying to cancel those who are basically just ordinary people.

1.) Dixie Chicks:

---I'll reluctantly give you that one, but you could make an argument for free association. I can't imagine making a choice to drop a band because they said something outlandish, (NOFX, for example, recently said something related to the Mandalay Bay shooting that even I can't get behind, but it doesn't mean I'd stop listening to their music...basically, I think all mass shootings are equally terrible regardless of who is getting shot) but I could understand why some might.

This is one that I'm on the fence about. When I think of, "Cancel Culture," I think of going after people in their individual capacity---trying to get perople fired for something they said on the social media, or what have you. The Dixie Chicks are a band, so that's largely (though not entirely) just consumers changing their choices. I say not entirely because burning the albums is definitely a bit much.

2.) Colin Kaepernick

---Maybe. I think that one is actually kind of borderline because it was detrimental to the workplace and put the NFL in a bad spot. My argument against Colin Kaepernick has been very consistent in that the workplace is simply not the forum for political agendas...particularly if you are asked not to do it. My comparison in a couple of articles was, "It would be like you went to Target and, instead of asking if you found everything, the cashier started telling you what County Commissioners she planned to vote for and why."

If they had went after Kaepernick for something that he was doing, "Off the clock," then I would concede the point.

3.) Nike

---That's just a boycott of a company. In my opinion, that doesn't apply. I'm fine with any company being boycotted for any reason that a person wants to boycott it. I might think some boycotts are stupid, but I have no problem with them. I don't buy Nike (though I'm not expressly boycotting them)...but that wouldn't even make my Top 20 list of reasons to boycott Nike were I inclined to do so.

4.) Ellen

---Granted. Of course, the Liberals recently led a (largely unsuccessful) effort to get Ellen cancelled, as well.

5.) Samantha Bee

---She called Ivanka Trump a, "C^$*$%." If both sides were honest and never hypocritical, then that should rightfully p$%*%$ off both sides. Is calling Ivanka Trump that appropriate language? Is calling Ivanka Trump that empowering to women? You let any male get on TV and call a woman that word and the Left will be calling for his head.

---Besides, people can watch what they want to watch, so that's not exactly the sort of, 'Canceling,' I'm talking about. Her advertisers could have certainly stood behind her if they wanted to.

6.) Beyonce'

---Granted, but that wasn't even a meaningful try.

7.) Target

---I don't see the problem. Personally, I think Target should be permitted (within the confines of law) to make whatever bathroom policy it wants to, but there's nothing hypocritical about Conservatives boycotting a business for that and people can boycott any business for whatever reason they want to.

***I'm not including businesses for the rest of this, or I will just repeat myself.

8.) Jane Fonda

---I don't even really know who that is.

9.) The Hunt

---As opposed to what? Do you expect Conservatives to give that a perfect review on MetaCritic? Ghostbusters movie would have been a better example.

10.) Nascar

---Ironically enough. Ha. Still a consumer choice, though.

11.) Keurig

---Company.

12.) Kathy Griffin

---Best example yet. 100% spot on with that one.

13.) Gillette

---Company.

14.) James Gunn

---See, that's an interesting one because you could make the argument just that they are using the same tactics. Also, it was Marvel/Disney that fired him; they could have stood behind him.

15.) French Fries

---I don't know if that qualifies...

16.) Michelle Wolf

---No idea who that is.

Quote: Mission146

8.) Jane Fonda

---I don't even really know who that is.

Quote: rxwine

Not sure if I agree you can't include businesses. Someone often owns them and if not, people work at them. Someone may lose their job if business drops enough.

You know why Tucker Carlson has a problem with cancel culture? Because unlike when Limbaugh got fired from the NFL and developed his own media empire, Carlson still works for a company.

If you believe a company can be boycotted, I don't see why they can't boycott against a specific individual in the company. Even nobodies get canceled by the public if they do something that gets enough public attention and the company gets heat about it.

If you want to be inoculated against cancel culture, or getting fired you have to work for yourself or work for no one.

Quote: Evenbob

When I see something like this my first thought is, yeah right. Then I think maybe they really don't know and that frightens me. How can you not know who Jane Fonda is. She has a hit show on Netflix. She has an extremely well-known father. Besides all that, she has a historical role in the war in Vietnam. Not knowing who 'Hanoi Jane' Fonda is, unforgivable.

Quote: Mission146

Every business on that list is a publicly-traded corporation. The preservation of jobs, in my opinion, is not enough of a counterargument to override the fundamental concepts of consumer choice and free association. I want to say that Amazon (and subsidiaries thereof) is currently the only corporation I'm boycotting...I think they'll be fine without the average few hundred to a thousand bucks (almost entirely at Whole Foods) I spent there annually.

I don't care why Tucker Carlson has a problem with it. I also don't really sweat it too much when it comes to high-level celebrities and public figures, unless they are comedians, because saying offensive stuff (in my opinion) just kind of comes with the territory of being a comedian. I think that consumers have the right to make their own choices as to what they consume, which includes all forms of media. If high-level celebrity types want to avoid all possibility of blowback, then they can simply choose not to make their political opinions known. They have the right to make them known, but to not face any consequences vis-a-vis consumer choice is not a right.

I'm mainly talking about cancel culture as relates lesser-known media people, ordinary (non media) people or instances in which people are digging crap up from several years ago.

Anyway, a boycott is when you don't purchase a company's goods or services and may or may not include encouraging others to do the same. When you're talking about calling peoples' employers to try to get people fired, that's not a boycott. When you get into leaving bad reviews on Google for businesses that you never actually patronized, that's also not a boycott.

Ultimately, there should be some degree of separation (contracts notwithstanding) between work life and personal life, otherwise, you effectively are limited in what you can do in your personal life and are beholden to your employer even in your, "Off-the-clock," actions and words...which is really the sort of thing I would expect Liberals to have a problem with normally.

Quote: rxwine

16 Times Conservatives Tried To Cancel Things, Even Though They Pretend To Hate "Cancel Culture"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/conservatives-love-cancel-culture

After looking up wokeness to find out specifically what it refers to I'm going to defend it. But like all things there are misplaced issues of wokeness.

Quote: rxwine

Free speech has some protections, but also has potential consequences. Groups like Westboro Baptist church as far as I know weren't loved much by right or left or even many religious people. I believe the Supreme Court ruled against their right to protest military funerals in the cemetery. They have to stay outside.

That's probably the wrong ruling, but they're so unpopular, they couldn't win it.

But anyway, your free speech is legally protected from certain things, but you may have to go to private funding if you want to speak your mind with the least consequences. But even then, people may make your life uncomfortable, without violating laws.

Quote: gamerfreak

Here’s a more recent example

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/578677-texas-house-to-launch-investigation-into-school-library-books

Conservative cancel culture is alive and well

Quote: Mission146

I think that SCOTUS ruled in favor of Westboro, unless there were different cases that went before the SCOTUS:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/03/02/134194791/supreme-court-sides-with-westboro-church-on-funeral-protests

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Quote: rxwine

I was thinking the loss was concerning where they had to the right to protest, not that they couldn't protest. That whole church was full of lawyers, if I remember correctly. They filed a lot of lawsuits or counter lawsuits.