The Trump Arrest thread

The reason folks believe there's more non-Trump Supporters, is because the MSM lies.

Most of us have always been silent.

Quote: DoubleGold

The reason folks believe there's more non-Trump Supporters, is because the MSM lies.

Most of us have always been silent.

sure - that's the ticket - go with that one

and make sure everybody knows that Trump and all of his supporters in and out of the media are extremely TRUTHFUL

you guys are in really good shape - even if the Trump loving morons put him on the ticket again - you can again say that election was rigged after he gets beaten again

you're in like Flint






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Quote: PotPie

first - you're underestimating Trump's popularity - Biden only got about 5% more of the popular vote in 2020

second - even if what you are saying is true - it only takes 1 to hang a jury

and that would be a disaster for the Prosecution - sometimes Prosecutors elect not to go to a 2nd trial when that happens

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There are multiple charges in these cases, which would make it a lot more obvious if someone is going to nullify the jury. They might convict on some charges but not on others.

Quote: rxwine

There are multiple charges in these cases, which would make it a lot more obvious if someone is going to nullify the jury.

true - but what does it matter if it's obvious_______?_____________the Trump lover won't care if he's obvious

he can't be thrown off the Jury in the middle of a trial

he can only be thrown off the Jury before the trial - and as I said before - he could easily conceal his true intentions at that time

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Quote: SOOPOO

I personally know dozens of people that would vote Trump guilty without even listening to any evidence presented. I’m sure those people outnumber ‘Trump lovers’ by 2 -1 at least.

Prosecutors should only charge citizens with crimes if they have enough evidence to convince a jury of the defendant’s peers that he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Sounds like you do not believe the prosecutors can meet that burden? Were you in favor of the dog and pony show (impeachments) which had no chance in the real world of resulting in a conviction?

Yes and no. How would prosecutors KNOW they have sufficient evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt prior to the jury actually convicting someone beyond a reasonable doubt?

I haven't dug too deeply into all of the charges against Trump, but the only one that meets sufficient proof and severity (in my eyes), based upon what I have seen so far, is the election interference charge in Georgia where he's pleading with the Secretary of State to, "Find him votes."

Assuming this transcript:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

Is accurate, here are my problems in particular:

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We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure that’s going to happen.

You can take that to court if you want to, but no sitting POTUS or Presidential candidate (with the authority of office or potential office behind them) should be attempting to directly influence the course and manner in which a state handles its own elections. That's for the state to do.

If the Federal Government wanted to influence the manner in which a POTUS election is decided, and I really see no Constitutional reason why it couldn't (if appropriate laws were passed), then they could handle it by way of having a ballot separate from state election ballots and create a Federal oversight and verification committee specifically for Presidential Elections.

In the meantime, each individual state has its own codified laws and procedures which are in place to regulate the conduct and verification of elections; the individual states, or their representatives, should not be contacted directly by POTUS or POTUS candidates for this reason and it is, at BEST, extremely inappropriate. Any POTUS or POTUS candidates should use the court system to effectuate these ends...not contact people directly who handle the elections.

As far as the specific allegations that people couldn't vote as they were incorrectly told they already had, well, the problem is that the entire conversation is happening to begin with. If the conversation is legally permissible, then Trump is certainly allowed to lie.

Here's Trump challenging whether or not people move sometimes:

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Germany: We’ve been going through each of those as well and those numbers that we got that Ms. Mitchell was just saying, they’re not accurate. Every one we’ve been through, are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases

Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, “Ah, to hell with it I’ll move back.” You know, it doesn’t sound like a very normal … you mean, they moved out, and what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? It’s crazy.

Germany: This is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So there’s something about that data that, it’s just not accurate.

Even if it had been, 'Just before the election,' it wouldn't matter provided the people moved back in time to vote in accordance with state law.

And then Trump accuses the Secretary of State of wanting him to lose:

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Trump: I don’t know. It doesn’t pass the smell test because we hear they’re shredding thousands and thousands of ballots and now what they’re saying, “Oh, we’re just cleaning up the office.” So I don’t think they’re cleaning.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say anything.

Trump: Oh this isn’t social media. This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not it’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side. I don’t even know why you have a side, because you should want to have an accurate election. And you’re a Republican.

"I don't even know why you have a side...and you're a Republican." Classic.

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And they’re going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you and you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state, and you’ve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody’s ever cheated before. And I don’t care how long it takes me, you know, we’re going to have other states coming forward — pretty good.

And Later...

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can’t let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

He's literally threatening to go after a state official with criminal charges; this is the President of the United States directly, by the way.

If this doesn't go my way:

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Trump: Well why don’t my lawyers show you where you got the information. It will show the secretary of state, and you don’t even have to look at any names. We don’t want names. We don’t care. But we got that information from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you know she’s going around saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she’s done to this party is unbelievable, I tell ya. And I only ran against her once. And that was with a guy named Brian Kemp and I beat her. And if I didn’t run, Brian wouldn’t have had even a shot, either in the general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a doornail. He never thought he had a shot at either one of them. What a schmuck I was. But that’s the way it is. That’s the way it is. I would like you … for the attorneys … I’d like you to perhaps meet with Ryan ideally tomorrow, because I think we should come to a resolution of this before the election. Otherwise you’re going to have people just not voting. They don’t want to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor and they hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. The only people like you are people that will never vote for you. You know that Brad, right? They like you know, they like you. They can’t believe what they found. They want people like you. So, look, can you get together tomorrow? And Brad. We just want the truth. It’s simple. And everyone’s going to look very good if the truth comes out. It’s OK. It takes a little while but let the truth come out. And the real truth is I won by 400,000 votes. At least. That’s the real truth. But we don’t need 400,000. We need less than 2,000 votes. And are you guys able to meet tomorrow Ryan?

People aren't going to vote for you again.

The other stuff I don't really know and haven't made a deep dive into, but if it doesn't have more strength than the Impeachment grounds, I won't be convinced. I'm really not too worried about the classified documents thing because it reeks of taking any excuse they can get. I imagine many POTUS' of years past have improperly stored documents and had them in their possession.

Quote: DoubleGold

The reason folks believe there's more non-Trump Supporters, is because the MSM lies.

Most of us have always been silent.

I heard the real numbers are that Trump got 87% of the vote in California. If California hadn't fudged the numbers, that would have been enough to change the result by itself.

Quote: Mission146

I heard the real numbers are that Trump got 87% of the vote in California. If California hadn't fudged the numbers, that would have been enough to change the result by itself.

I don't know about all that.

If it weren't true (what I wrote), there'd be no need to press charges against Trump.

Quote: PotPie

surprise, surprise, surprise________________________________shazam__________!!!

one more BS post from one of DT's prime BSers

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I think he believes what he is typing. I also think 5150 holds exist for a reason!

Quote: DoubleGold

I don't know about all that.

If it weren't true (what I wrote), there'd be no need to press charges against Trump.

Just Trump running again is a headache I could do without. I legitimately want him to die, but I hope it's of natural causes.

By himself, I don't even think Trump is even that bad. I just can't stand Trump's supporters, nor can I stand having to listen to the Far Left scream endlessly about him. Just have the election and see what happens like normal people, you know?

Quote: Mission146

I heard the real numbers are that Trump got 87% of the vote in California. If California hadn't fudged the numbers, that would have been enough to change the result by itself.

wow____!!!! - that's a lot of fudging

Ca. reported about 11 million for Biden and about 6 million for Trump______________63.48% vs. 34.32%

I can understand why the Trumpers are pissed off -






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