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January 25th, 2025 at 12:43:34 PM permalink

GenoDRPh

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Quote: Tanko
So when Adam Lanza armed with an AK-47 shot his way into Sandy Hook public elementary school, the police had to first go to a judge and get a warrant before they could enter the premises, while Lanza was busy killing 20 children and six teachers. Got it.

Law enforcement has 'license and privilege' to enter a premises without a warrant if they believe a crime has been committed, is or is in progress.

This does not mean ICE does not need a warrant to enter a public school to detain an illegal immigrant.

Two wildly difference scenarios kimosabe. Let's stay on topic, shall we?

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Law enforcement has 'license and privilege' to enter a premises without a warrant if they believe a crime has been committed, is or is in progress.

This is a poor and inaccurate statement of exigent circumstances.

An exigent circumstance is a circumstance that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry, or other relevant prompt action, was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of the suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts.

Immigration status alone, to my knowledge, is not an exigent circumstance. To argue otherwise makes illegal immigrants out to be the boogey-men. Immigration status alone, to my knowledge, is not an exigent circumstance. I dare and challenge anyone to provide a law or case that proves me wrong.

The article you posted says what I said. To wit: "We start with the key observation that ICE cannot enter non-public areas of an organization without consent or a valid judicial warrant signed by a federal judge, absent exigent circumstances (such as some sort of urgent national security or public safety threat)." Rinse and repeat as necessary.

To answer your question, Adam Lanza and Sandy Hook was exigent circumstances, so the cops went in. Salvador Ramos and Uvalde was also, but the cowardly cops didn't go in. Same with the Las Vegas shooting and those cowardly cops.

January 25th, 2025 at 4:14:20 PM permalink

GenoDRPh

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Turns out, bein in the US in violation of immigration laws is not a crime:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

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Is the fact of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws a
crime?
No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,
standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that
may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence
alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal
alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.
Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a
misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But many
undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but
overstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visas
in some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented
immigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for the
Unauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].
Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an
individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without
permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters,
attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may be
punished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law.

Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

January 25th, 2025 at 5:13:18 PM permalink

Evenbob

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 148
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Quote: GenoDRPh
Turns out, bein in the US in violation of immigration laws is not a crime:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Quote:
Is the fact of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws a
crime?
No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,
standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that
may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence
alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal
alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.
Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a
misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But many
undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but
overstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visas
in some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented
immigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for the
Unauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].
Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an
individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without
permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters,
attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may be
punished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law.

Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Are you a sovereign citizen? They believe they don't need a driver's license or insurance or have their car registered in order to drive. This is right up their ally..

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

January 25th, 2025 at 5:23:51 PM permalink
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978	Trump Stops by Craps Table During Visit to Las Vegas Casino President Donald Trump visited a craps table at the Circa Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, and was welcomed with chants of “USA! USA!” after delivering a speech on his no tax on tips policy agenda. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

January 25th, 2025 at 5:32:02 PM permalink

SOOPOO

Member since: Feb 19, 2014
Threads: 25
Posts: 5753

Quote: GenoDRPh
Turns out, bein in the US in violation of immigration laws is not a crime:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Quote:
Is the fact of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws a
crime?
No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,
standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that
may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence
alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal
alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.
Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a
misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But many
undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but
overstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visas
in some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented
immigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for the
Unauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].
Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an
individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without
permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters,
attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may be
punished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law.

Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

And this thinking is why the Democrats got routed this election cycle. Keep it up.

It may not be a crime punishable by imprisonment, but it certainly is a REASON for deportation. At least those elected now know that, and will try and do something about it.

January 25th, 2025 at 5:48:22 PM permalink
missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 160 Posts: 5503	"No tax on tips?" What a stupid idea.

January 25th, 2025 at 5:56:06 PM permalink
GenoDRPh Member since: Aug 24, 2023 Threads: 5 Posts: 2839	Quote: missedhervee "No tax on tips?" What a stupid idea. It's only stupid when Kamala said it.

January 25th, 2025 at 5:58:14 PM permalink

GenoDRPh

Member since: Aug 24, 2023
Threads: 5
Posts: 2839

Quote: SOOPOO
Quote: GenoDRPh
Turns out, bein in the US in violation of immigration laws is not a crime:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Quote:
Is the fact of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws a
crime?
No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,
standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that
may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence
alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal
alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.
Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a
misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But many
undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but
overstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visas
in some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented
immigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for the
Unauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].
Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an
individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without
permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters,
attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may be
punished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law.

Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

And this thinking is why the Democrats got routed this election cycle. Keep it up.

It may not be a crime punishable by imprisonment, but it certainly is a REASON for deportation. At least those elected now know that, and will try and do something about it.

No problem. Have the Feds provide names and addresses of those in the country under less than legal circumstances and get arrest warrants. Simple enough. What don't you understand about that?

January 25th, 2025 at 6:18:10 PM permalink
missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 160 Posts: 5503	Quote: GenoDRPh It's only stupid when Kamala said it. It's stupid when anyone says it. Christ on a crutch, it's income... tax it.

January 25th, 2025 at 6:36:30 PM permalink

Tanko

Member since: Aug 15, 2019
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Posts: 2470

Quote: GenoDRPh
Two wildly difference scenarios kimosabe. Let's stay on topic, shall we?

AZ posted ‘No reason to get a warrant to enter PUBLIC PROPERTY to investigate a threat.’

You responded ‘Which does not include public schools. ‘

You were wrong. It includes public schools. Which is why I used Sandy Hook public elementary as an example where a warrant was not necessary.

I also mentioned ‘This does not mean ICE does not need a warrant to enter a public school to detain an illegal immigrant.’

They do. Which is why I linked to the article which says they do.

I mentioned, Law enforcement has 'license and privilege' to enter a premises without a warrant if they believe a crime has been committed, is or is in progress.

You cited this as a poor statement of exigent circumstances. How’s that? An exigent circumstance is something that requires immediate action. A crime in progress requires immediate action.

The description of an exigent circumstance which you copied and pasted from this source is a long version what I posted.

True story.

Police Officer Dave, lived in a Bronx apartment building. He noticed his neighbor’s door was damaged and forced open. With probable cause to believe a crime was possibly in progress, he entered the apartment and found two men burglarizing the place. There was a shootout. Dave subdued both burglars, who were wanted for five homicides.

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