In the News II

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January 9th, 2026 at 1:11:47 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Spoke with my friend the (ex) cop. He is no ‘cop defender’ as he says most of the cops he worked with were assholes.

I asked him if he saw the videos, and what did he think. His first answer was spot on. He said from the views he has seen you can’t come to an iron clad conclusion. He definitely feels that the CAR can be considered a lethal weapon, depending on how it s used. If you are in one and it is not moving, and you leave the vehicle when instructed to, then in that case you would not be subject to the actions consistent with using a lethal weapon. If you speed off without regard to who is in front of or adjacent to the vehicle, then the CAR can be considered a lethal weapon, and lethal force can be used against the car driver.

He said he’d never get in front of a car that has a driver he just stopped. He leans towards its bad police work, but can’t answer if it rises to an inappropriate use of lethal force. His guess is no conviction, but no career in front of him, either.
January 9th, 2026 at 2:30:38 PM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 217
Posts: 22928
Quote: SOOPOO
Spoke with my friend the (ex) cop. He is no ‘cop defender’ as he says most of the cops he worked with were assholes.

I asked him if he saw the videos, and what did he think. His first answer was spot on. He said from the views he has seen you can’t come to an iron clad conclusion. He definitely feels that the CAR can be considered a lethal weapon, depending on how it s used. If you are in one and it is not moving, and you leave the vehicle when instructed to, then in that case you would not be subject to the actions consistent with using a lethal weapon. If you speed off without regard to who is in front of or adjacent to the vehicle, then the CAR can be considered a lethal weapon, and lethal force can be used against the car driver.

He said he’d never get in front of a car that has a driver he just stopped. He leans towards its bad police work, but can’t answer if it rises to an inappropriate use of lethal force. His guess is no conviction, but no career in front of him, either.


I looked to see what Ai had to say.

Quote:
Vehicle Trajectory: Video analysis by several outlets shows that when the agent fired, the wheels of Good's Honda Pilot were turned sharply to the right, angling away from the officer rather than toward him.

Timing of Shots:
One shot was fired through the front windshield as the car pulled forward, and two more were fired through the driver-side window as the vehicle moved past the agent.

Multiple reports indicate the agent appeared to be out of the vehicle's path when he fired.


One thing I remember from a 7-11 shooting here in Florida, but it didn't involve a cop. When the guy pulled a gun to shoot after an assault the video showed the guy who assaulted him retreating back a bit. That was enough to show that the assaulter was retreating. The guy who shot him was convicted even though he had been assaulted moments before.

But cops, get more leeway, I think.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
January 9th, 2026 at 7:46:37 PM permalink
SOOPOO
Member since: Feb 19, 2014
Threads: 25
Posts: 5726
Quote: rxwine
I looked to see what Ai had to say.



One thing I remember from a 7-11 shooting here in Florida, but it didn't involve a cop. When the guy pulled a gun to shoot after an assault the video showed the guy who assaulted him retreating back a bit. That was enough to show that the assaulter was retreating. The guy who shot him was convicted even though he had been assaulted moments before.

But cops, get more leeway, I think.


Watch the cop’s cell phone taping of the incident. I’m not saying he couldn’t have handled the situation better. But the driver had absolutely no regard for the cop’s life. Could be a video to show how not to respond to a cop giving you an order.
January 9th, 2026 at 7:50:04 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Quote: SOOPOO
Watch the cop’s cell phone taping of the incident. I’m not saying he couldn’t have handled the situation better. But the driver had absolutely no regard for the cop’s life. Could be a video to show how not to respond to a cop giving you an order.


I'd like to see where in the policy manual states ICE Agents can use their cellphones to record public interactions while on duty...
January 9th, 2026 at 8:46:41 PM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 217
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Quote: SOOPOO
Watch the cop’s cell phone taping of the incident. I’m not saying he couldn’t have handled the situation better. But the driver had absolutely no regard for the cop’s life. Could be a video to show how not to respond to a cop giving you an order.



We'll never know whether she even saw that agent. When your senses are overwhelmed concentrated on something specific, you can miss something right in front of you.

Quote:
In their new book The Invisible Gorilla, Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons explain how our brains trick us into thinking we see and know far more than we actually do.

The phrase, "the invisible gorilla," comes from an experiment created 10 years ago to test selective attention. In it, study participants are asked to watch a video in which two teams, one in black shirts and one in white shirts, are passing a ball. The participants are told to count how many times the players in white shirts pass the ball.

Mid-way through the video, a gorilla walks through the game, stands in the middle, pounds his chest, then exits

More than half the time, subjects miss the gorilla entirely. More than that, even after the participants are told about the gorilla, they're certain they couldn't have missed it.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
January 11th, 2026 at 10:24:58 AM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
Threads: 30
Posts: 5248
Quote: GenoDRPh
I'd like to see where in the policy manual states ICE Agents can use their cellphones to record public interactions while on duty...


I would guess they are government cell phones. Recording or even photos of official stuff on personal cell phones is problematic when doing gov stuff. And, I would be shocked if ICE agents don't all get issued work cell phones given their job.
January 11th, 2026 at 10:32:23 AM permalink
DoubleGold
Member since: Jan 26, 2023
Threads: 34
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No surprise the Dems [and many Rinos] are supporting criminals:


They've been criminals for as long as I can remember.

Nothing new.


Some names are diff but the same old same old.

In short, Dems hate enforcing the law but they love breaking the law.



Below is a list of posts from Democratic members of Congress referring to ICE in derogatory terms:


---------------

Senators:

• Sen. Alex Padilla:
"ICE agents have purposefully terrorized communities by using unnecessary force..."
xcancel.com/SenAlexPadilla/status/…

• Sen. Tammy Duckworth:
"Trump's agents shot two more people in Portland... pattern of 'shoot first, then lie'..."
xcancel.com/SenDuckworth/status/20…

• Sen. Tim Kaine:
"Sending hordes of agents into cities... celebrating the death of an innocent civilian..."
xcancel.com/timkaine/status/200978…

• Sen. Adam Schiff:
"Murderers, rapists, and animals. This is how the President views undocumented immigrants..."
xcancel.com/SenAdamSchiff/status/9…

• Sen. Raphael Warnock:
"ICE has become an unchecked, paramilitary force... Sending masked federal agents..."
xcancel.com/SenatorWarnock/status/…

• Sen. Mazie Hirono:
"From threatening denaturalization... Evil and sickening."
xcancel.com/maziehirono/status/194…

• Sen. John Hickenlooper:
ICE is out of control. Separating families. Shooting Americans in cold blood..."
xcancel.com/SenatorHick/status/200…

• Sen. Ron Wyden:
"Innocent children treated like animals... ICEgov’s conduct is reprehensible."
xcancel.com/RonWyden/status/101681…

• Sen. Richard Blumenthal:
"Self defense? ... total overhaul & housecleaning are overdue..."
xcancel.com/SenBlumenthal/status/2…

• Sen. Alex Padilla:
"ICE descended on MacArthur Park... terrorized children and immigrant communities..."
xcancel.com/SenAlexPadilla/status/…

• Sen. Chris Murphy:
"ICE is making our communities more dangerous... locking up peaceful immigrants..."
xcancel.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/2…

• Sen. Ed Markey:
"ICE's activities have become inhumane and brutal... dismantle ICE."
xcancel.com/SenMarkey/status/10141…

• Sen. Andy Kim:
"Video footage of an ICE officer shooting... incredibly disturbing..."
xcancel.com/SenatorAndyKim/status/…

• Sen. Dick Durbin:
"ICE is profiling and arresting Americans... totally inappropriate."
xcancel.com/SenatorDurbin/status/1…

• Sen. Ed Markey:
"I’ve been sounding the alarm on ICE’s dangerous facial recognition technology..."
xcancel.com/SenMarkey/status/20082…

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren:
"These violent ICE arrests don't make us safer — they intentionally stoke fear..."
xcancel.com/SenWarren/status/19691…

• Sen. Tammy Duckworth:
"ICE is not making Minneapolis safer... killed a mom... horrific."
xcancel.com/SenDuckworth/status/20…

• Sen. Dick Durbin:
"They treat us like animals."
xcancel.com/SenatorDurbin/status/1…

• Sen. Alex Padilla:
"Horrified... indiscriminate violence."
xcancel.com/SenAlexPadilla/status/…

• Sen. Mazie Hirono:
"ICE is wreaking havoc... cruel, racist agenda."
xcancel.com/maziehirono/status/193…

• Sen. Richard Blumenthal:
"Policy... fear & cruelty."
xcancel.com/SenBlumenthal/status/1…

• Sen. Jeff Merkley:
"Dehumanizing minorities... dangerous."
xcancel.com/SenJeffMerkley/status/…

• Sen. Tina Smith:
"Masked ICE agents terrorizing our streets..."
xcancel.com/SenTinaSmith/status/20…

• Sen. Ed Markey:
"ICE raids are designed for peak cruelty..."
xcancel.com/SenMarkey/status/11504…

• Sen. Chris Van Hollen:
"Trump Admin continues to lie about ICE's killing... impunity."
xcancel.com/ChrisVanHollen/status/…

• Sen. Ruben Gallego:
"ICE agents... harassing customers with Latino last names."
xcancel.com/SenRubenGallego/status…

• Sen. John Hickenlooper:
"Reckless, deadly violence..."
xcancel.com/SenatorHick/status/201…

---------------


Representatives:



----------------

• Rep. Joaquin Castro:
"Masked ICE agent pointed a gun... Trump is using cruelty and fear..."
xcancel.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status…

• Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove:
"Claiming... domestic terrorism. No investigation..."
xcancel.com/RepKamlagerDove/status…

• Rep. Katherine Clark:
"Breaking down apartment doors... weaponizing ICE..."
xcancel.com/WhipKClark/status/1974…

• Rep. Delia Ramirez:
"ICE is a terror force..."
xcancel.com/repdeliaramirez/status…

• Rep. Robert Garcia:
"ICE is straitjacketing immigrants... inhumane."
xcancel.com/RepRobertGarcia/status…

• Rep. Jim McGovern:
"Dehumanizing... disgusting words like 'garbage'..."
xcancel.com/RepMcGovern/status/199…

• Rep. Yassamin Ansari:
"Unacceptable... rogue, lawless paramilitary force terrorizing..."
xcancel.com/RepYassAnsari/status/1…

• Rep. Jim McGovern:
"Trump is using ICE like a secret police force... Gestapo-like tactics... terrorize... killing people."
xcancel.com/RepMcGovern/status/200…

• Rep. Becca Balint:
"ICE is above the law... based on appearance."
xcancel.com/RepBeccaB/status/19448…

• Rep. Steve Cohen:
"Calling this 'domestic terrorism' was a lie... unjustified... reckless..."
xcancel.com/RepCohen/status/200935…

• Rep. Delia Ramirez:
"ICE... using children as bait... terror force."
xcancel.com/repdeliaramirez/status…

• Rep. André Carson:
"ICE... terrorizing our communities."
xcancel.com/RepAndreCarson/status/…

• Rep. Judy Chu:
"ICE agents are pointing guns... vile... terrorizing families..."
xcancel.com/RepJudyChu/status/1935…

• Rep. Yvette Clarke:
"ICE is already brutalizing protestors... murdered..."
xcancel.com/RepYvetteClarke/status…

• Rep. Delia Ramirez:
"ICE... inflicting terror... unconstitutional terror force..."
xcancel.com/repdeliaramirez/status…

• Rep. Teresa Leger Fernández:
"ICE agents are harassing and threatening Native Americans."
xcancel.com/RepTeresaLF/status/188…

• Rep. Marc Veasey:
"Border Agents... offensive, racist..." (Note: Refers to CBP agents, closely related to ICE operations)
xcancel.com/RepVeasey/status/11458…

• Rep. Morgan McGarvey:
"ICE just murdered a US citizen... brutal, oppressive regime..."
xcancel.com/RepMcGarvey/status/200…

• Rep. Becca Balint:
"Snatching people... kidnapping... agents are out of control."
xcancel.com/RepBeccaB/status/19382…

• Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman:
"ICE has been terrorizing... brutalizing... reckless..."
xcancel.com/RepBonnie/status/20089…

• Rep. Nanette Barragán:
"CBP female officers... migrant refugees as criminals... makes me sick."
xcancel.com/RepBarragan/status/107…

• Rep. Summer Lee:
"ICE just killed a woman... out of control... police state..."
xcancel.com/RepSummerLee/status/20…

• Rep. Rosa DeLauro:
"ICE is out of control... terrorizing our communities..."
xcancel.com/rosadelauro/status/198…

• Rep. Julie Johnson:
"ICE has unlawfully detained... killed... abusing their power... violent way..."
xcancel.com/RepJulieJohnson/status…

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January 11th, 2026 at 11:09:06 AM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
Threads: 30
Posts: 5248
Quote: DoubleGold
No surprise the Dems [and many Rinos] are supporting criminals:


They've been criminals for as long as I can remember.

Nothing new.


Some names are diff but the same old same old.

In short, Dems hate enforcing the law but they love breaking the law.



Below is a list of posts from Democratic members of Congress referring to ICE in derogatory terms:


---------------

Senators:

• Sen. Alex Padilla:
"ICE agents have purposefully terrorized communities by using unnecessary force..."
xcancel.com/SenAlexPadilla/status/…

• Sen. Tammy Duckworth:
"Trump's agents shot two more people in Portland... pattern of 'shoot first, then lie'..."
xcancel.com/SenDuckworth/status/20…

• Sen. Tim Kaine:
"Sending hordes of agents into cities... celebrating the death of an innocent civilian..."
xcancel.com/timkaine/status/200978…

• Sen. Adam Schiff:
"Murderers, rapists, and animals. This is how the President views undocumented immigrants..."
xcancel.com/SenAdamSchiff/status/9…

• Sen. Raphael Warnock:
"ICE has become an unchecked, paramilitary force... Sending masked federal agents..."
xcancel.com/SenatorWarnock/status/…

• Sen. Mazie Hirono:
"From threatening denaturalization... Evil and sickening."
xcancel.com/maziehirono/status/194…

• Sen. John Hickenlooper:
ICE is out of control. Separating families. Shooting Americans in cold blood..."
xcancel.com/SenatorHick/status/200…

• Sen. Ron Wyden:
"Innocent children treated like animals... ICEgov’s conduct is reprehensible."
xcancel.com/RonWyden/status/101681…

• Sen. Richard Blumenthal:
"Self defense? ... total overhaul & housecleaning are overdue..."
xcancel.com/SenBlumenthal/status/2…

• Sen. Alex Padilla:
"ICE descended on MacArthur Park... terrorized children and immigrant communities..."
xcancel.com/SenAlexPadilla/status/…

• Sen. Chris Murphy:
"ICE is making our communities more dangerous... locking up peaceful immigrants..."
xcancel.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/2…

• Sen. Ed Markey:
"ICE's activities have become inhumane and brutal... dismantle ICE."
xcancel.com/SenMarkey/status/10141…

• Sen. Andy Kim:
"Video footage of an ICE officer shooting... incredibly disturbing..."
xcancel.com/SenatorAndyKim/status/…

• Sen. Dick Durbin:
"ICE is profiling and arresting Americans... totally inappropriate."
xcancel.com/SenatorDurbin/status/1…

• Sen. Ed Markey:
"I’ve been sounding the alarm on ICE’s dangerous facial recognition technology..."
xcancel.com/SenMarkey/status/20082…

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren:
"These violent ICE arrests don't make us safer — they intentionally stoke fear..."
xcancel.com/SenWarren/status/19691…

• Sen. Tammy Duckworth:
"ICE is not making Minneapolis safer... killed a mom... horrific."
xcancel.com/SenDuckworth/status/20…

• Sen. Dick Durbin:
"They treat us like animals."
xcancel.com/SenatorDurbin/status/1…

• Sen. Alex Padilla:
"Horrified... indiscriminate violence."
xcancel.com/SenAlexPadilla/status/…

• Sen. Mazie Hirono:
"ICE is wreaking havoc... cruel, racist agenda."
xcancel.com/maziehirono/status/193…

• Sen. Richard Blumenthal:
"Policy... fear & cruelty."
xcancel.com/SenBlumenthal/status/1…

• Sen. Jeff Merkley:
"Dehumanizing minorities... dangerous."
xcancel.com/SenJeffMerkley/status/…

• Sen. Tina Smith:
"Masked ICE agents terrorizing our streets..."
xcancel.com/SenTinaSmith/status/20…

• Sen. Ed Markey:
"ICE raids are designed for peak cruelty..."
xcancel.com/SenMarkey/status/11504…

• Sen. Chris Van Hollen:
"Trump Admin continues to lie about ICE's killing... impunity."
xcancel.com/ChrisVanHollen/status/…

• Sen. Ruben Gallego:
"ICE agents... harassing customers with Latino last names."
xcancel.com/SenRubenGallego/status…

• Sen. John Hickenlooper:
"Reckless, deadly violence..."
xcancel.com/SenatorHick/status/201…

---------------


Representatives:



----------------

• Rep. Joaquin Castro:
"Masked ICE agent pointed a gun... Trump is using cruelty and fear..."
xcancel.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status…

• Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove:
"Claiming... domestic terrorism. No investigation..."
xcancel.com/RepKamlagerDove/status…

• Rep. Katherine Clark:
"Breaking down apartment doors... weaponizing ICE..."
xcancel.com/WhipKClark/status/1974…

• Rep. Delia Ramirez:
"ICE is a terror force..."
xcancel.com/repdeliaramirez/status…

• Rep. Robert Garcia:
"ICE is straitjacketing immigrants... inhumane."
xcancel.com/RepRobertGarcia/status…

• Rep. Jim McGovern:
"Dehumanizing... disgusting words like 'garbage'..."
xcancel.com/RepMcGovern/status/199…

• Rep. Yassamin Ansari:
"Unacceptable... rogue, lawless paramilitary force terrorizing..."
xcancel.com/RepYassAnsari/status/1…

• Rep. Jim McGovern:
"Trump is using ICE like a secret police force... Gestapo-like tactics... terrorize... killing people."
xcancel.com/RepMcGovern/status/200…

• Rep. Becca Balint:
"ICE is above the law... based on appearance."
xcancel.com/RepBeccaB/status/19448…

• Rep. Steve Cohen:
"Calling this 'domestic terrorism' was a lie... unjustified... reckless..."
xcancel.com/RepCohen/status/200935…

• Rep. Delia Ramirez:
"ICE... using children as bait... terror force."
xcancel.com/repdeliaramirez/status…

• Rep. André Carson:
"ICE... terrorizing our communities."
xcancel.com/RepAndreCarson/status/…

• Rep. Judy Chu:
"ICE agents are pointing guns... vile... terrorizing families..."
xcancel.com/RepJudyChu/status/1935…

• Rep. Yvette Clarke:
"ICE is already brutalizing protestors... murdered..."
xcancel.com/RepYvetteClarke/status…

• Rep. Delia Ramirez:
"ICE... inflicting terror... unconstitutional terror force..."
xcancel.com/repdeliaramirez/status…

• Rep. Teresa Leger Fernández:
"ICE agents are harassing and threatening Native Americans."
xcancel.com/RepTeresaLF/status/188…

• Rep. Marc Veasey:
"Border Agents... offensive, racist..." (Note: Refers to CBP agents, closely related to ICE operations)
xcancel.com/RepVeasey/status/11458…

• Rep. Morgan McGarvey:
"ICE just murdered a US citizen... brutal, oppressive regime..."
xcancel.com/RepMcGarvey/status/200…

• Rep. Becca Balint:
"Snatching people... kidnapping... agents are out of control."
xcancel.com/RepBeccaB/status/19382…

• Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman:
"ICE has been terrorizing... brutalizing... reckless..."
xcancel.com/RepBonnie/status/20089…

• Rep. Nanette Barragán:
"CBP female officers... migrant refugees as criminals... makes me sick."
xcancel.com/RepBarragan/status/107…

• Rep. Summer Lee:
"ICE just killed a woman... out of control... police state..."
xcancel.com/RepSummerLee/status/20…

• Rep. Rosa DeLauro:
"ICE is out of control... terrorizing our communities..."
xcancel.com/rosadelauro/status/198…

• Rep. Julie Johnson:
"ICE has unlawfully detained... killed... abusing their power... violent way..."
xcancel.com/RepJulieJohnson/status…

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I don't see a single incorrect quote in your list.
January 12th, 2026 at 5:49:12 AM permalink
odiousgambit
Member since: Oct 28, 2012
Threads: 165
Posts: 6374
Quote: Gandler

I don't see a single incorrect quote in your list.
Why be for upholding the law when you count so much on those votes from the illegals?
I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me]
January 12th, 2026 at 6:21:06 AM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
Threads: 30
Posts: 5248
Quote: odiousgambit
Why be for upholding the law when you count so much on those votes from the illegals?


Illegals don't vote. Liberals are against operations because of humanity, not everything is about votes.