October Surprise

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The best places to live are run by Dems

I often wonder what Ed is smoking

Quote: odiousgambit

who cares how you define it?

The Lefty idea that politically useful rioting and violence should be dismissed as mere 'demonstrating' and the the perpetrators of violence should be not arrested or if arrested, let go, like is typically done with non-violent civil disobedience demonstrators, is revolting to any normal person.

Poor OD was evidently being told in the UK that violent people were being arrested and prosecuted over here. They tried that in the US Media too ... "Peaceful but Fiery protests" they tried to say... alas there were too many who knew the truth and they didn't take the country down like many of those cheering them on here would have liked

Eh…


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Quote: odiousgambit

who cares how you define it?

The Lefty idea that politically useful rioting and violence should be dismissed as mere 'demonstrating' and the the perpetrators of violence should be not arrested or if arrested, let go, like is typically done with non-violent civil disobedience demonstrators, is revolting to any normal person.

Poor OD was evidently being told in the UK that violent people were being arrested and prosecuted over here. They tried that in the US Media too ... "Peaceful but Fiery protests" they tried to say... alas there were too many who knew the truth and they didn't take the country down like many of those cheering them on here would have liked

Because words matter. Definitions matter. "Rioting and violence" does not an insurrection make. And I dare you to prove otherwise. Prove that the Derek Chauvin-George Floyd riots were insurrection. Put up or shut up.

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Because words matter. Definitions matter. "Rioting and violence" does not an insurrection make. And I dare you to prove otherwise. Prove that the Derek Chauvin-George Floyd riots were insurrection. Put up or shut up.

I'm not trying to make the Floyd riots into an insurrection, that's my point when I say 'who cares'

I suppose if someone in your family was killed in a riot, you'd say 'oh well, at least it wasn't an insurrection' ... ??

Quote: odiousgambit

I'm not trying to make the Floyd riots into an insurrection, that's my point when I say 'who cares'

I suppose if someone in your family was killed in a riot, you'd say 'oh well, at least it wasn't an insurrection' ... ??

ODG, Your argument is weak:
The violence and ilegality of the Floyd riots are not in dispute. It's disputed that they be described as an insurrection. They were not...
"The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.", since the acts of police violence were not 'Civil authority' The target of the riots was not 'a constituted government'

The attack on the Capitol was an attack on the very heart and soul of US Democracy. An assault on everything your constitutional government stands for.

YES. I criticise the BLM riots equally. But they were NOT the same thing at all.

'oh well, at least it wasn't an insurrection' is a straw man argument. You are better than that.

Quote: OnceDear

ODG, Your argument is weak:
The violence and ilegality of the Floyd riots are not in dispute. It's disputed that they be described as an insurrection. They were not...
"The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.", since the acts of police violence were not 'Civil authority' The target of the riots was not 'a constituted government'

The attack on the Capitol was an attack on the very heart and soul of US Democracy. An assault on everything your constitutional government stands for.

YES. I criticise the BLM riots equally. But they were NOT the same thing at all.

'oh well, at least it wasn't an insurrection' is a straw man argument. You are better than that.

there was some argument going on about whether it was an insurrection. Do you need to hear me say it wasn't? OK, I say it wasn't an insurrection! But *I* never made that argument and honestly I think you and others are clinging to a deflection

The issue is determining what is Mockingbird and what is not Mockingbird.

It's very easy to discern the difference of Mockingbird followers and non-Mockingbird followers.

In my experience, something usually bad has to happen to a person to open their eyes to see the difference.


MAGA followers are usually non-Mockingbird.

It's really not a person's fault if they believe the Mockingbird.

It has nothing to do with intelligence.


Fox is Mockingbird, just the far right side of her.

The far left side is covert.


For examples, RFK Jr. and Pence.

RFK Jr. is left of center but a non-Mockingbird follower because something bad happened to him to open his eyes.

Pence is right of center but a Mockingbird follower, maybe because something bad didn't happened to him, YET.

The words like "Hitler", "Deplorable", "Nazi", "Garbage" come from the Mockingbird.

The words don't originate from the person saying them.

Then they are repeated over and over by other parts of the Mockingbird.

Eventually, a majority of folks will believe the Mockingbird.

Quote: odiousgambit

who cares how you define it?

The Lefty idea that politically useful rioting and violence should be dismissed as mere 'demonstrating' and the the perpetrators of violence should be not arrested or if arrested, let go, like is typically done with non-violent civil disobedience demonstrators, is revolting to any normal person.

Poor OD was evidently being told in the UK that violent people were being arrested and prosecuted over here. They tried that in the US Media too ... "Peaceful but Fiery protests" they tried to say... alas there were too many who knew the truth and they didn't take the country down like many of those cheering them on here would have liked

I've protested with peaceful BLM protestors
Should I be arrested for supporting BLM.
Some cops believe I should have my protest rights taken away

Do you have a case we can look at
I have plenty of cases you can look at


I can go on and on

Quote: odiousgambit

I often wonder what Ed is smoking

I travel all over the country
Most interesting places I've visited are Dem cities
Take NYC
Tanko will never leave
I was in Wyoming. Talked to some fellow campers. Spoke of all my travels. Kids mentioned that Wyoming sucks. Nothing to see or do lol