Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

Quote: odiousgambit

and btw you are all aflutter while I'm saying it's 'just weather' that the peak hurricane season is a flop

I'd say it's your own inner doubts about the need to panic over climate change that has you consulting the Google robot

I saiid about that post, I'm not saying all these are valid. Who is aflutter? You? Polar bear is only one item. There's more than that there.

Besides, a fact is a fact regardless of where it comes from. And if it's not a fact it also doesn't matter where it comes from.

Also, nope, not abandoning climate change. One year is not enough of a trend just as a couple storms are not.

Quote: rxwine

I saiid about that post, I'm not saying all these are valid. Who is aflutter? You? Polar bear is only one item. There's more than that there.

It would only have been fair to laugh like hell at the 'time to panic' activists who are likely losing one of their best hammers, a worrisome hurricane season. I said the apparently possibly opposite type season didn’t really mean much, instead, but also said there is something wrong with the ability of the forecasters to forecast properly. People count on them I’m sure for this and that. This is a different criticism, not debunking the theory that warming oceans will make Atlantic hurricanes more fierce, but just that forecasting models seem defective. Perhaps you sensed that I suspect these forecasters feel as obligated as our new host of pontificating cyberspace robots to predict things that will make the pro-panic activists happy, discarding modeling if needed. I do.

Sensing this, and not your asked the robot “What predictions have climate change skeptics made that didn't come true?“ Wow, what a question, but you hit paydirt. The Robot was ready for that one.

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Besides, a fact is a fact regardless of where it comes from. And if it's not a fact it also doesn't matter where it comes from.

Facts? Since you don’t like cherry-picking, let’s examine each counter-prediction and the robot response:

Regarding the ‘new ice age is coming’ robot: “it was never the scientific consensus”
Fact: Real scientists say we are in an Ice Age. In one! The retreat of the glaciers, when it happens, is called an ‘inter glacial period’ and we are in one of those too. The robot is getting it’s information from activists here, who reveal their ignorance by the way they are talking.

Regarding ‘Global warming stopped in the 1990s’ I’ll just say both sides are guilty of cherry-picking the start and stop times of their comparisons and the robot is ignoring the countering ones, like the completely unexplained great warming of the 1930s and the subsequent cooling for decades as fossil fuel use exploded. How would the robot know the latter? It is not allowed to know it.

Regarding ‘The warming trend is unreliable’ claim. Debunked without noting that while scientists would have known they have to adjust for the "urban heat island effect" this is rich ground for wild guess work. Also, that all the media, not scientists, totally ignore the heat island effect in their reporting is not noted. It’s the sin or omissions here

‘It’s the sun, not humans’ claim. OK, the robot gets this putdown right. However, only moron skeptics come up with this one. Destroying a straw man here

Regarding the ‘Models are unreliable’ claim. “when tested, models have successfully reproduced [blah blah’ ………… oh my god, talk about fawning adherence to the activists, the robot should really be ashamed of itself. It is not a fact that computer modeling does not have well known problems. Ummmmmmmmm, can we point to the prediction that this would be a horrific hurricane season???????????????????

I have to start skipping, I’m getting tired

This one though, about sea levels, “In reality, various measurements agree that sea levels have been rising at an accelerating rate…” The lack of predicted sea level rise is probably one of the best debunked of all the skeptics’ efforts and the robot only knows what some activists are claiming in the face of it.

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Also, nope, not abandoning climate change. One year is not enough of a trend just as a couple storms are not.

I see you agree, the current situation is interesting but close to meaningless. I’m not saying there is no man made climate change either. But I am dismayed to see how the cyberspace robots are joining in with the campaign against the skeptics about the need to panic. I’m surprised they don’t use the word ‘denier’, but the ‘bot if nothing else doesn’t get emotional. It’s the humans that give it instructions and feed it only one side that get that way

New tropical storm now in the Atlantic. Basically unpredicted unless you want to credit '20% chance in next 7 days' as a successful prediction. They are pretty good at predicting where these will go, though, and they say east of Bermuda

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aflutter
/əˈflədər/

adjective: aflutter

in a state of tremulous excitement.