Was Jesus God?

Quote: FrGamble

By the way, thanks for speaking together again.

I came here to conduct rhetorical warfare. I stated this. Keep this in mind at all times.

Quote: FrGamble

I know many in the LGBT community that would be quite offended by your statements,
.

Do you remember a show called Sex
and the City? Most of the writers on
the show were Gay. There was an
episode where Charlotte became
friends with group of fun Lesbian
women. She wanted all the benefits
of being a Gay woman, without
actually having Gay sex.

The Lesbian women in the group
would have none of it. They informed
her in no uncertain terms that to
be Gay, you had Gay sex or you didn't
get to hang out with them.

Now, it's just a TV show, but it was
written by Gay people. The message
they're sending is, call yourself what
you want, but if you're not actually having
Gay sex, you aren't really Gay.

Just like the married man I mentioned
who's attracted to men. He's not Gay
because he's not having Gay sex. He
may have Gay tendencies, but Gay
he is not. So when the Church says
they love Gay people, they're really
playing a word game. You're not really
Gay if you're not having Gay sex, which
the Church abhors. The sexual act
is what defines the term. I have been
attracted to other men in a man crush
sort of way, does that make me Gay?
Hardly.

Another example from TV. On Mad Men
there was a guy in the first season who
was married but was very attracted to
men. When he finally gave in had Gay
sex, he was then a homosexual. Otherwise,
how do you determine what a Gay man
is. If you fit all the stereotypes, does that
make you Gay. It does not, plenty of
straight men like those things too.

Quote: FrGamble

same sex couples can be a good choice for parents for lots of reasons.

But they aren't Gay because they aren't
having Gay sex. That's how the Church
defines a Gay person. So when you say
you love Gay people, as long as they're
celibate, it's a lie because you don't
really think they're they're Gay.

Ok, tell me this. If a Gay man is celibate,
what, to the Church, makes him Gay.
Because he says so? That's meaningless,
I can say I'm anything I like, that doesn't
make it so. What is the church's criteria
for determining if a person is Gay, if
they are not having Gay sex.

Evenbob I'm embarrassed for you and offended. I will leave it in better hands than myself to explain to you that a homosexual orientation is not defined or summed up by if you have gay sex or not. It is deeper and more significant than that. If a person with same sex orientation has sex with a person of the opposite sex does that make them straight all of the sudden? Instead of TV shows maybe you should form your opinions from professional psychologists, experts, or by asking a gay person if they are only gay when or if they have sex with a person of their own gender.

You can call yourself anything you want and it is meaningless unless it is true. If someone says they are homosexual I am not going to ask them to prove it by listing their partners or asking them when the last time they had gay sex was. The Church's criteria for determining if a person is gay or not is if they are solely attracted sexually to members of their own gender. Whether they do so or not doesn't mean they are liars.

Quote: Nareed

I came here to conduct rhetorical warfare. I stated this. Keep this in mind at all times.

Don't worry if I forget I am sure you will remind me. I am here as a peacemaker. Keep this in mind at all times.

Quote: FrGamble

Evenbob I'm embarrassed for you and offended..

Please. I had this discussion in my bar
with Gay men 35 years ago. Gay sex
is what determines if a person is Gay
or not. I noticed you refused to answer
the question by turning it back on me.

What is the Church's criteria for determining
if a person is Gay, if it's not the sexual
act. You can't answer BECAUSE THERE
ISN'T ANY! The Church knows this, they
know if a person says they're Gay, if they
aren't engaging in Gay sex, they aren't
really Gay in anybody's eyes, not the law,
not the Church, not even the Gay community.

Prove me wrong. Tell me what makes a person
Gay outside of the sexual act. Anything you
mention will be anecdotal, and probably
stereotypically insulting. So yes, the Church
is lying when it says it accepts Gays, because
it knows they really aren't Gay without the sex.

Quote: FrGamble

I am here as a peacemaker. Keep this in mind at all times.

It's fascinating that you think that. But
not really, when I consider the other
weird ideas you believe.

Someone is gay because they have an exclusive sexual attraction to members of their own sex. The Church uses the same definition that psychologists and professional experts use. Just because someone has gay sex does NOT mean they are homosexual and just because they don't doesn't mean they are heterosexual. I implore you not to equate someone's deep seated orientation to their outward actions. Maybe someone who is homosexual can better help you see your error.

Edit: I am heterosexual but I do not have sex with women, does that mean I am not really straight?

Quote: FrGamble

Someone is gay because they have an exclusive sexual attraction to members of their own sex.

Not in the eyes of the law. Did you know
in England in the 40's and 50's you could
go to prison for being Gay? Do you know
what the single criteria was? It wasn't
who you were attracted to, or what records
you listened to, or who you hung out with,
or what you talked like, or how you dressed.

It was Gay sex. That was and still is used
to determine if someone is Gay. Oh, you
can have all the signs of being Gay, all
the feelings, and emotions and attractions.
But if you don't act on them, the law and
the Church don't care. You aren't Gay.

So the Church loves you if you're Gay,
but that's easy because they don't consider
you Gay. They're lying to make themselves
look good. Gay people know this, the smart
ones anyway. For the others, it's just a way
to torture them by making them deny a
major part of who they are.

TV shows, bar talk, and laws more than 50 years old are not the best way to make an argument. We have come a long way in understanding the deep seated sexual orientations we have. It may be time to update your definition and understanding.