The Discomfort Thread

Quote: petroglyph

You may be spot on about stress. I am currently reading an outpatient program with the Mayo for stress, and have looked at the Stanford Protocol for pelvic floor dissynergia, they think caused by stress
In a weird way it is sort of a compliment I guess? The ones that get it or those in high stress positions, like ceo's. dr's. etc. The Mayo program is helping, although I may not "feel" like doing it. At this point, it is vital to tone down the stress.

Screw that stress stuff, its just an excuse for doctors who don't really know what is wrong and want an excuse to blame the patient since the patient still has stress in his life and is therefore non-compliant with their advice to go become a Monk on a Mountain Top in Montana and not have to pay bills or feed a family or have a boss or punch a time clock.

Patient's non compliance with doctor's advice protects their egos and their wallets. That is why it is so often mentioned.

Its like Genes, Diet, Trauma and Luck. Sort of similar to walking up to a craps table and having Music, alcohol, half naked women and luck. You can blame the results on STRESS all you want but stress ain't got nothing to do with it.

Quote: Fleastiff

Its like Genes, Diet, Trauma and Luck. Sort of similar to walking up to a craps table and having Music, alcohol, half naked women and luck. You can blame the results on STRESS all you want but stress ain't got nothing to do with it.

I wouldn't be so quick to say "ain't got nuttin to do with it!" At the least it can be a major contributing factor. Changes your sleep, eating, and other patterns. Changes chemical balances in the body. All kinds of things. Look at how any POTUS ages while in office and how fast.

Engineers and doctors seem to use Stress and Strain differently.
A bridge that weighs 2,000 tons is under stress; but the strain is a one inch sag.

Subclinical infections take a toll; so do L-bodies of nearly vanquished microbes, the brain adjust endocrine set points at less than optimal points to accommodate the constant clamor of mild infections. Parasites play a major role, often untested or diagnosed.

Sleep is a "bottom up" state subject to the brain's vote-pooling. Sleep apnea is a body's coping measure that starts out as a disease of the kidney so slight its generally not clinically tested much less recognized as a problem. As sleep apnea progresses it will affect both nocturnal and diurnal oxygenation values, thyroid levels, other hormone levels, temperature tolerance, alertness, concentration, task attention, persistence and resiliency, but its still a disease of the kidney.

Quote: Fleastiff

Screw that stress stuff, its just an excuse for doctors who don't really know what is wrong and want an excuse to blame the patient

Just because Dr's don't know what is wrong or how to fix it does not make stress any less real or deleterious to health, or helpful if it is the "right" kind of stress in short duration. I was always a "stress eater", I loved it, multi- tasking like a tasmanian devil. More challenges to an already hectic and kinetic life, bring it. Ahh, but when the neon lights came on at night, nirvana. According to Mayo there is good and bad stress, which can be alleviated and UGLY stress. Sounds about right to me.

This is the one that literally has me by the perineum, Wise-Anderson Protocol, https://youtu.be/DD9w1wdGcSQ Az, might want to take a peek?

I haven't met anyone that has an ischemic colon after resection surgery, and an altered rectal angle that isn't a little "stressed", just sayin. And all that was before the carcinoma diagnosis.

I have been considering taking up alcohol again. IIRC, it takes years of practice and lots of money to do it correctly? I didn't realize how much pain I had been treating with nightly consumption. It is one of the most effective treatments I have ever encountered, but with side effects. Same as medicine. The Yin and Yang of everything.

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therefore non-compliant with their advice to go become a Monk on a Mountain Top in Montana

I tried Montana 5 times and even with my skill set it was harder to make enough money to maintain my style of living then it was in Alaska, so North, north to Alaska, going north the "rush" is on. Johnny Horton, "North to Alaska", for your listening pleasure https://youtu.be/b3tAJS0wpRY " I'd trade all the gold that's buried in this land, for a band of gold on my sweet Jenny's hand"

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Patient's non compliance with doctor's advice protects their egos and their wallets.

It seems there is an underlining aura of near hostility in many cases. Almost combative with Oncologists.

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...That is why it is so often mentioned.

And to try out the latest and most expensive chemicals on this lab rat of a specie's, humans.

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...similar to walking up to a craps table and having Music,

I think that is why they won't let me have headphones and good tunes at SL1, they are lulling me into a coma with chamber music and the din of the casino floor.

The type of casinos I afford to go to, you don't want the girls any less than fully dressed. Most of them seem to be "working" to either get liposuction or new teeth. lol

Ok, as long as I'm in the discomfort thread, I got one.

I had a colostomy bag for awhile, after a burst colon...in Alaska. Since reversed, but that is why I have two hernias now that need attention. Timing is everything.

Winter time, cold... I was trying to walk to get some strength back, layered up to keep warm and warm boots, and went walking a little while out in the snow.

I came back in the house because my colostomy bag had frozen and was flopping against my stomach kinda hard. Think, galloping with a bucket of water. let me tell you, that little piece of the colon that they bring out through the stomach wall [stoma] really really hates being cold. Your guts want to stay warm, and when I froze a bag of pooh around them, they were angry. Come to think of it, that might be why the descending colon as an ischemic section in it?

One of the surgeons was thinking that may be why the pelvic floor dysfunction, the re-routed colon might be laying on or putting pressure on the nerve bundle above the perineum?

Damn the indignity,

Jane Fonda is 77, and in really good condition.
On the outside. She's a tiny woman, I don't
care that hers stats say she's 5' 8'. She's
not. I saw her once, in 1980 in Santa Barbara.
She was getting into a red Porsche and she
was maybe 5' 3", at the most. She could
barely see over the wheel when she got in,
looked like a child was driving. Look at her
in Electric Horseman. Redford is 5' 7" and
had cowboy boots that made him 5' 9".
Fonda wore boots with 4" stiletto heels for
the whole movie, and Redford was still a
head taller than her.

My point is, she looks good but is in terrible
condition. She's had both hips replaced, a
knee replaced, and says she has so many
steel pins in her back that her body hurts
24 hours a day. It's from all the exercise crap
she was into in the 80's. All those stair
stepper exercises that are supposed to be so
good for you. They wore out her joints and
killed her back. Exercise is never what it's
cracked up to be.

Quote: Evenbob

Exercise is never what it's
cracked up to be.

There was a report as short time back that people that run a lot, actually damage their arterial system and that you would be healthier with a more modest running program.

But I don't think the reports on a sedentary lifestyle add up to good health either.

Quote: Evenbob

Jane Fonda is 77, and in really good condition.
On the outside. She's a tiny woman, I don't
care that hers stats say she's 5' 8'. She's
not. I saw her once, in 1980 in Santa Barbara.
She was getting into a red Porsche and she
was maybe 5' 3", at the most. She could
barely see over the wheel when she got in,
looked like a child was driving. Look at her
in Electric Horseman. Redford is 5' 7" and
had cowboy boots that made him 5' 9".
Fonda wore boots with 4" stiletto heels for
the whole movie, and Redford was still a
head taller than her.

My point is, she looks good but is in terrible
condition. She's had both hips replaced, a
knee replaced, and says she has so many
steel pins in her back that her body hurts
24 hours a day. It's from all the exercise crap
she was into in the 80's. All those stair
stepper exercises that are supposed to be so
good for you. They wore out her joints and
killed her back. Exercise is never what it's
cracked up to be.

What a pleasure to mount though, nothing like a gal that is toned and is interested as much as we were, eh?

Hell if I wasn't so married and decrepit now, I'd give her a throw.

We were all fed a belly of lies.

Quote: rxwine

There was a report as short time back that people that run a lot, actually damage their arterial system and that you would be healthier with a more modest running program.

But I don't think the reports on a sedentary lifestyle add up to good health either.

Jokingly I say, jokingly. I sometimes think about taking my pellet gun to those old gray haired guys that jog past my house, for not giving it a harder go in their yoot.

What was the sense of being young if you weren't going to waste it? The candle burns brighter if lit from both ends.

Or like Hobo says, if you remember the 60's, you didn't live them. : )

I may be on a roll here?

I was gutted like a salmon, and it would take me nearly 15 minutes to walk from my recliner to the bathroom as the gut muscles were cut in both directions. One of the ostomy nurses told me that I was the first person she ever saw get up and walk after the surgery. I got up and walked over to the hospital sink and cleaned my bag.

That sob I was married too, refused to go to work, more than one hour per day, as school recess watcher.

She was determined that I would either get up and go to work, or die where I lay, but she was not going to help bring in any money.

It was then that I knew for sure, the marriage was over.

God bless the credit union. Even injured like I was, they loaned me money to make house payments until I could go back to work. Maybe that is why I lived through it, to be able to divorce that creature ?

I seemed to be a magnet for the lazy ones. You ask, " Petro, how lazy was she?",,,she was so lazy that if she had to shit in the middle of the night she would just shit the bed and kick her turds out on the floor instead of getting up and going to the bathroom. j/k So, I figured a guy might as well marry the best piece he ever had, versus trying to get any help?

I did get ultra lucky however. I needed too. I got both.