Science and God
June 1st, 2015 at 5:39:09 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
That would be the most ridiculous conclusion you could possibly draw?!? The hydrogen, dust, other gasses and a boatload of forces all came from somewhere. They are the cause for the particular star in question. However, if you want to ask a deeper question as to where did that hydrogen gas come from, what was its cause? Then you will inevitable arrive at a first cause or a creator. You were the one who liked Aristotle so much, why are you abandoning him and logic now? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2015 at 5:50:17 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Instead of just making stuff up let's look at the evidence shall we?
Let's be very clear, I'm not trying to make the Bible into a science textbook, which it is most certainly not. The ideas Christianity puts forth may inspire science because it sees our universe as ordered and created by God and worthy of study, but its main ideas are not about cosmology but anthropology. The logic of the Christian understanding of mankind is proved more true every day. You still after many times claiming to rejecting the notion of sin cannot come up with any reason why it is so difficult for man to do what we know is right? The logic of Christianity has always been light years ahead of the secular or atheistic notion of mankind. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2015 at 5:53:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Only if you WANT to arrive there. Hawking: "Before we understood science, it was natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation." Do we really need to get into the 'more convincing explanation' again? Every time I post it, you never have a comment. Hint: It concerns gravity If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 1st, 2015 at 5:59:45 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Since you ask, the most ridiculous conclusion would be that Jehovah/Jesus did it.
Sure. we can follow the evolution and formation of stars backwards to the moment right after the Big Bang. And in all those observations we still see no evidence of a sentient being involved at all.
The existence of beings can be proved by evidence There is no evidence for A's existence Therefore the existence of A cannot be proven. I think Aristotle would approve. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
June 1st, 2015 at 6:13:28 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
As a fable, a myth, a part of a religion, I completely understand that god/Jesus did it. As a fact of science, it's preposterous. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 1st, 2015 at 6:24:29 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Actually, you can only avoid a creator if you WANT to avoid it. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2015 at 6:26:53 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Maybe if A = Atheism. If A = God then your second premise is incorrect. [edit: actually your third premise is also incorrect because you can know of the existence of A without it being scientifically proven.] “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2015 at 8:14:07 PM permalink | |
Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 |
This makes no sense at all. |
June 1st, 2015 at 9:05:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
So all the really smart, gifted atheists, like Einstein, Hawking, Asimov, Franklin, Twain, Sagan, Jefferson, Freud, and really, on and on and on, all these exceptionally smart people really believed in god, but wanted to avoid it, so they called themselves atheists instead. This is the story you now want to go with? In debate we have a name for this ploy. It's called desperation. It's when you've so run out of facts and evidence, you delve into the realm of losing your credibility by making things up as you go along. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 1st, 2015 at 9:14:15 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Difficult for WHO? You keep saying that. I didn't rob or murder anybody today. I didn't cheat on my wife, or kick a baby or swear at an old lady. It wasn't difficult at all not to do these things. In fact, it's not difficult for most people. You want to indict the whole human race because a few people can't play by the rules? Go bother them about 'sin', the rest of us think it's ridiculous. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |