the death of coal?
November 7th, 2017 at 9:15:04 AM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
In 1979, Britain's domestic coal industry produced 122 million tons annually. But those days are long gone. By the early 2010s, only 13% of its coal was produced domestically. The remaining 87% was imported from Russia, USA, Colombia, and Australia. Russia was providing half of the coal used in Britain. |
November 7th, 2017 at 9:31:40 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
I think that's been an argument since machine manufacturing started. You get a shoveling machine it replaces 20 individual workers. Are you just going to stop progress? You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 7th, 2017 at 10:19:21 AM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Arm the Luddites The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
November 7th, 2017 at 10:51:53 AM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4516 | No I don't want to stop progress and for the record I don't think burning coal in large quantities is a good idea. The point I was trying to make is that our society is so intent on technological advancement that we seldom stop to think about those that are displacement by the latest advancement. We are content to just leave the human debris lying on the side of the tracks as the technology train races forward. I think that this is the reason that elections are becoming unpredictable. So many are being screwed now by the continuous changes in what is a good job or a secure job they will support anyone that promises them a better life, be it Trump, Putin or Brexit. I think that this the overriding problem in our world today but am very disappointed in the fact that I can see no solution to this problem. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
November 7th, 2017 at 11:16:56 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18211 |
The difference is the shoveling machine is actual progress. Coal has more been legislated out of existence. The is not progress, that is artificial killing of an industry. The President is a fink. |
November 7th, 2017 at 11:39:01 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Have you any idea how many whaling jobs have been lost in the US since people stopped using whale oil for lamps? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
November 7th, 2017 at 11:39:16 AM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I think if nothing else it pertains to national security, to keep a few coal mines working, coal to elec. plants running, and follow up on the Fisher Tropsch method of making diesel from coal: https://www.purdue.edu/discoverypark/energy/assets/pdfs/cctr/outreach/Basics1-CoalGasification-Jun07.pdf With all the conflicts erupting daily in the ME, and who knows where Venezuela is at any given time, and what the current state of oil production is in the US. It only makes sense to keep our options available. A hurricane in Louisiana that disrupts the south coast oil terminals of Texas, add to that just a trunk load of RPG's flying into Cushing OK, and there is significant disruption in the US. Fifteen years ago, both Mont and Penn, were supposed to have working CTL plants creating electricity by now. I guess something changed? Maybe those stupid raptor killing windmills? If the US isn't going to use what we have lots of [coal] than we should get to work erecting nuclear plants as fast as China. Even Iran has ordered 5 nuke plants from Russia. Even they with their huge petroleum reserves can see the intelligence of not burning fossil fuel to make electricity. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
November 7th, 2017 at 1:13:43 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
So what, coal has received plenty of extra government incentives over the years. You want things to operate fairly by demand, but it never did. Probably helped run the lumber and oil guys out of business. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 7th, 2017 at 2:37:24 PM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
No, it's progress. Yearning for the good ol' days? How about the week of December 5, 1952 when 4,000 people in London died from exposure to coal?
It is theorized that the coal's nitrogen dioxide and sulfur dioxide combined with fog rather than humidity; larger droplets of water diluted the acid products, allowing more sulfate production as sulfuric acid. Sunrise burned off the fog, leaving concentrated acid droplets which killed citizens. I'm not sure why anyone would want to return to that. |
November 7th, 2017 at 2:43:21 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18211 |
I have heard that gasoline can be made from coal. Why the Saudi Arabia of coal never did more of that I never understood. Could be that it is too complex to make it worth it. With fracking, we should be OK for a generation at this point. The President is a fink. |