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Hey FrGamble!
| April 13th, 2020 at 1:46:42 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Do xtians hoard toilet paper? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| April 14th, 2020 at 7:16:05 AM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4178 |
This may be the best post ever on the subject! I LOVE "Some of us are wired to need a God"! My upbringing was Jewish. The daily prayers consisted of a multitude of chants praising the greatness of God. Hundreds if not thousands of times. I always asked, If I was that benevolent, all knowing, all seeing God, would I want people to spend literally hours every day chanting how great I was? Really? |
| April 14th, 2020 at 8:05:40 AM permalink | |
| Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 1988 | |
| April 14th, 2020 at 10:16:18 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
And the wiring is put in place when we're kids. I have zero need for a god, the whole concept is ridiculous to me. It's laughable, what this god is supposed to be. He seeks constant praise from his subjects, and then ignores them completely. He promises everything and delivers nothing. And people flock to him, begging for more of this abusive treatment. Groveling has never been one of my traits.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| April 14th, 2020 at 8:53:55 PM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 | Just binge watched this mini-series about a woman who escaped the Hasidic community - WOW! |
| April 14th, 2020 at 9:25:38 PM permalink | |
| Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 |
FrGamble is the exact same way, but opposite. He didn’t sit down and think about it. He knows it. He’s always known it. That is why he is so frustrated with you (and probably me, too). We’re asking for proof of God and he’s saying, “Can’t you see? God is everywhere!” There’s no point to it. It’s better to figure out how we can work together than it is to fight. But, in this case I think the fighting is the point. |
| April 14th, 2020 at 9:30:38 PM permalink | |
| Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 |
Huh. I probably read that somewhere and forgot that I did so. I always figured that I was too grounded to believe in such things, because I never felt like I had a choice about it. When I tried to choose to believe, it felt false. And this is going back to when I was very young, like 10. First Holy Communion, I remember thinking how silly it was. |
| April 14th, 2020 at 10:09:56 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I think you are right Mosca. I've given up trying to get Bob to know God, I can't do that for him anyway. I am probably just hurting the cause. What I still hold out some hope for is that he and others might at least see that asking for some mathematical proof of God's existence before you believe is not reasonable. Instead you may disagree or argue with the evidence that would lead one to believe but they are not fools or crazy for believing in God. I don't want to fight either, but what I think is crazy and foolish is to know for sure, as if you had some proof that God for sure does not exist. I know that probably only Bob would say such a ridiculous thing, but I find it very hypocritical to be attacked so often for a belief in God by people who have far less evidence supporting their belief that religion is wrong, a sham, and that there is no God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| April 14th, 2020 at 10:17:45 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
The proof isn't on me, it's on the undetectable invisible god. Just like every other strange idea, like unicorns, or whatever. If they exist they will show up and that will be proof. As soon as god presents himself, I will be a believer. Until then he goes into the big box of quirky ideas that have no basis in reality. You believe because you need to believe. It's not very complicated. I have no reason or need to believe in a god. And you've never given one, even though I've asked many times. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| April 15th, 2020 at 5:09:04 AM permalink | |
| Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 1988 |
Shira Haas is a very talented actress. Their men and women are often not adequately prepared to survive outside that community. Women can have ten kids by age 40. If they leave the community and their husbands, they lose custody due to the courts 'status quo' policy, that ensures the children will continue the life style they are accustomed to. |