Trump vs Hillary 2016

Quote: Dalex64

That is not true. As of 2012, 3 million Americans did not have government issued photo ID. And they aren't talking about children.

http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id

The study quoted is a lefty think tank the results of their study were a foregone conclusion. The same as the result of insignificant number from a right wing think tank. It is almost impossible to find unbiased results on any question now in the Post Truth era.

So, do you believe that every legal adult in the US has Id which can be used as a voter ID?

Quote: Dalex64

So, do you believe that every legal adult in the US has Id which can be used as a voter ID?

I believe if they do not then it is their own fault, their own problem, and on them to correct the matter.

The figure in the liberal source above shows the "problem" is barely 1% of the population. If they have gone this long with getting by without an ID then they are capable of getting one, because you are really off-grid by choice if you manage without one.

I looked up the requirements for getting a US passport which is likely much stricter than any state issued ID. The elderly lady with the baptismal certificate would be able to get a passport with a little work. The BC would form a good base document but would not stand on it's own. Other acceptable documentation is even less stringent than the BC. Can you go through the process a month before the election, no. Can you be ready for the midterms, yes.

Maybe the instead of spending the energy fighting for less stringent requirements what should be done is spend that energy and money helping those who find the process overwhelming work through the system. This seems a better solution than letting anyone walk in and vote without documentation.

Quote: kenarman

Maybe the instead of spending the energy fighting for less stringent requirements what should be done is spend that energy and money helping those who find the process overwhelming work through the system. This seems a better solution than letting anyone walk in and vote without documentation.

But then liberals would lose the chance to call people racists. They would lose the issue. And anyplace fraud is happening they would be exposed.

Quote: kenarman

I looked up the requirements for getting a US passport which is likely much stricter than any state issued ID. The elderly lady with the baptismal certificate would be able to get a passport with a little work. The BC would form a good base document but would not stand on it's own. Other acceptable documentation is even less stringent than the BC. Can you go through the process a month before the election, no. Can you be ready for the midterms, yes.

Maybe the instead of spending the energy fighting for less stringent requirements what should be done is spend that energy and money helping those who find the process overwhelming work through the system. This seems a better solution than letting anyone walk in and vote without documentation.

That's what I am talking about. Making it easier for those who do not have ID to get ID. I thought that should have gone hand in hand with the new requirement to show id.

There does need to be some legal and affordable means to get through the system if you don't meet the current documentation requirements to get ID.

Quote: AZDuffman

But then liberals would lose the chance to call people racists. They would lose the issue. And anyplace fraud is happening they would be exposed.

How much fraud has been exposed?

Quote: Dalex64

How much fraud has been exposed?

Seeing some in Detroit right now. There have been links posted here about people, almost always Democrat, voting multiple times. Either way, it is simply about security. If there is no fraud there should be nothing to be afraid of with an ID law. Same as drug-testing for welfare benefits. Tooth and nail fighting every step of the way. Why?

Same should go for showing your id when you are pulled over, so they can check for wants and warrants. Some want to add citizenship checks to traffic stops.

No one should have any problem with showing id and having a criminal background check performed when purchasing a gun, either.

Quote: AZDuffman

Seeing some in Detroit right now. There have been links posted here about people, almost always Democrat, voting multiple times. Either way, it is simply about security. If there is no fraud there should be nothing to be afraid of with an ID law. Same as drug-testing for welfare benefits. Tooth and nail fighting every step of the way. Why?

I have seen ones and twos. Not thousands. Certainly not 3 million.

One report states that there were 38 documented cases of voter fraud, from 2000-2014, out of billions of votes cast.